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Tango0105 Aug 2022 8:43 p.m. PST

…of Wellington's army


"During the formal procession into the cathedral, one of the youngest soldiers currently serving in an Irish regiment carried the Field Marshal's Baton of the Duke of Wellington, who was born in Ireland.


Ranger Joseph Nixon, 19, was representing the Royal Irish Regiment, the successors of the 27th Inniskilling Regiment of Foot, which fought at Waterloo…"


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BillyNM05 Aug 2022 10:16 p.m. PST

So why the photo of a Scottish regiment?

Rosenberg05 Aug 2022 10:52 p.m. PST

Same Brigade. Probably no re-enactors or painting of the Irish Regiment

AussieAndy05 Aug 2022 11:56 p.m. PST

No mention of the fact that Wellington most definitely did not identify as Irish.

42flanker06 Aug 2022 2:00 a.m. PST

By that same token, weren't there Irish soldiers in most of Wellington's regiments.

The 27th Inniskillings and the Royal North British Dragoons were in the same brigade?

Personal logo Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2022 3:05 a.m. PST

There were Irishmen everywhere in Wellington's forces whatever the regiment. Whatever he may have thought about them personally, without them his armies would have been poorly recruited. To the same extent, that applies to Scots as well.

Lapsang06 Aug 2022 5:53 a.m. PST

42nd, the 6th Dragoons (Inniskilling) and Scots Greys were in the same Brigade.

The 27th (Inniskilling) Regiment of Foot were in Lambert's Infantry Brigade that arrived on the Battlefield that very morning.

42flanker06 Aug 2022 6:33 a.m. PST

Indeed. The question was tending to the rhetorical.

Personal logo 4th Cuirassier Supporting Member of TMP06 Aug 2022 8:21 a.m. PST

The British army comprised English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh and Hanoverian troops, these being the kingdoms that had George III as monarch. So it is not especially surprising that there were Irish soldiers, is it?

ConnaughtRanger06 Aug 2022 10:47 a.m. PST

Where is there any suggestion that Wellington, or even Picton, disliked Irish troops? Picton was notoriously foul-mouthed and may have thought the Connaught Rangers to be 'villains' but he also fully appreciated their fighting qualities. As to the hackneyed idea about Wellington's 'Irishness' – the comment was made a political opponent about him, not by him. He considered himself a subject of the Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.

42flanker06 Aug 2022 3:26 p.m. PST

"Where is there any suggestion that Wellington, or even Picton, disliked Irish troops?"

In the course of the 1830s-40s there was a quantity of correspondence, articles and serialized memoirs in the pages of the United Services Journal, much of it from the pen of William Grattan, late 88th (subsequently brought together in his memoir 'Adventures Of The Connaught Rangers) much of it on the theme of Picton's grudging attitude towards the "Rangers of Connaught" which culminated in their being deprived of the right to bear 'Pyrenees' on their colours, while the fellow battalions in their brigade had been granted that honorary distinction, (apparently on the basis that Picton had not recommended any officer of the 88th for a medal).

Tango0106 Aug 2022 3:36 p.m. PST

Thanks.

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Lieutenant Lockwood06 Aug 2022 3:40 p.m. PST

At the risk of sounding immodest, I have written a thesis and three novels (the fourth is at the publisher) about the Inniskillings. While most British regiments of the age, both Foot and Horse, recruited in Ireland, my research showed the 27th was more than 98% Irish. (The 1/27th Armoury Sergeant in 1815 was one such, charming, exception: Francisco Papa, an Italian. I bet he had an interesting life.)
The pictures of the Scots Greys are a disappointment (sigh) but I'd heartily recommend the Inniskilling Regimental Museum in Ennskillen; dedicated, good-hearted people, with a wonderful collection in a great setting.
Go raibh mheile maith agt…Mark

Major Bloodnok08 Aug 2022 6:16 p.m. PST

"Conky Arty" never (supposedly) claimed to be Irish. When asked about being born in Ireland his response was was "if an ass is born in a stable, what is it" or words to that effect. Much the same response as as a Mainer replied to New Yorker transplant, who asked since since kids were born in Maine were they now Mainers. The Mainer's reply was "if a cat has kittens in an oven are they muffins?"

Lapsang08 Aug 2022 11:26 p.m. PST

Which he never said – that was Daniel O'Connell, mocking the Duke in a Speech.

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