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Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP03 Aug 2022 2:16 p.m. PST

I am looking for a good image or conception of the Ninety Six fort. Not just the star fort but the whole shebang. I looked at the NPS website and it doesn't really have a layout of the entire fort. Everyone tends to focus on the start fort.

It has signage with the layout on it but I have to rely on tourist photos of it. Not very helpful.

I checked out the American Battlefield Trust website which had a virtual tour. I was a little bit surprised to not see a fort! All this time and the NPS or ABT hasn't rebuilt the fort? Bleeped text?

Misuse of tax money aside. Does anyone have an detail layout of the fort, they would be willing to share or point me in the right direction?

DisasterWargamer Supporting Member of TMP03 Aug 2022 2:36 p.m. PST

Detailed study with Lidar
PDF link
Look at page 46 for distances and elevation map – though lots of other stuff in this as well

More generic

link

starforts.com/ninetysix.html

fortwiki.com/Fort_Ninety-Six

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP03 Aug 2022 2:41 p.m. PST

Thank you!

martin goddard Sponsoring Member of TMP04 Aug 2022 1:51 a.m. PST

Recommended for a nice day out too.


martin

Normal Guy Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2022 3:20 a.m. PST

It is an excellent site and well worth seeing.

panzerCDR04 Aug 2022 4:37 a.m. PST

Very interesting. Thanks.

dragoons1st04 Aug 2022 6:44 a.m. PST

In addition to excellent links given above by DisasterWargamer, please see page 388 in Robert Bass book, Ninety Six (1978). I recall seeing that model/diorama when I visited this remote but interesting site in 1990s while working on my biography of William Washington. Maybe there is a better photo available and I am not sure if it is still on exhibit.
The excellent "View of Ninety Six" map print found in William Johnson's "Life…of…Greene" (2 vols., 1822) is often reproduced (e.g., JSTOR and Google Books) and it is on page 420 in Vol. VIII of the more recent "Papers of…Greene (1995).

dragoons1st04 Aug 2022 6:54 a.m. PST

See also page 485 in Vol. II of Benson Lossing's "Pictorial Field-Book of the Revolution" (1859 and reprinted in 1970s). In addition to a copy of the 1822 print itself, the text page and footnotes are helpful. Lossing is a real treasure trove as he travelled through all of the original colonies/states and visited both small and big sites in the 1850s while many were intact or not intruded on!

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2022 2:57 p.m. PST

OC – this is off topic but I just looked at your lovely pics from your New Garden Meeting House post, great stuff. Very nice table, figs, much appreciated.

I have only ever posted one battle because I spent so much of the game taking photos that I became jokingly unpopular with my friends and felt like I missed some of the intensity of the game as well. Does this ever happen to you? Or do you enjoy taking pics and having a record of the game enough to balance out any lose of focus you might have? Or maybe you can do both with no problem?

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2022 4:36 p.m. PST

As to reconstruction or restoration, since the original walls are present and visible, I doubt that any attempt would be made to do any sort of reconstruction, as that would necessarily destroy the original fort. One doesn't destroy history for aesthetic's sake— or at least, one shouldn't.

If there were no remnants of the fort, then a reconstruction might be warranted, assuming sufficient archeological excavations had been done.

In any case, I may add this to my list of sites to visit when I'm in the region.
The pictures of the sapping tunnel were fascinating— I had no idea they would go so far as to brick the interior! I guess that should have occurred to me— it's dirt, not rock. But very interesting that the original brick is still there.

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2022 4:40 p.m. PST

Thanks all. I guess maybe I should visit the site. Didn't mean to come off so strongly about there not being a fort. The NPS rarely restores a site. Fort Union in New Mexico is just the remains of the once large fort. They have no plans to restore it. I guess preservation over restoration. However I would point out the Dunker Church which was rebuilt and enhanced my visit there and Colonial Williamsburg which was rebuilt and is a great place to visit.

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2022 5:02 p.m. PST

Parzival,

kind of the opposite for me. I am able to pay attention to the game and take photos, if I am not playing in it. When I am actually playing, I forget to take photos. Typically if I play in a game I take half as many photos.

I think the trick is knowing when to take them. Being stealthy and unobtrusive as possible while taking them. Taking plenty of photos of the setup from different angles and taking plenty of photos of the completed game from different angles. Set up and after the game, are where most of my photos come from.

During the game I like to take quick photographs of pivotal or visually interesting moments. I have a small hand held camera I don't use a phone camera. I use a Cannon Power Shot SX160 IS. Nothing fancy. I can hold it in one hand and take the photo. I make an effort not to stop game play. I take photos between turns or find a down moment during a turn.

It also depends on your players. My guys like to have photos taken as a record of the game their playing. They will sometimes say to me, "you need to take a photo of this." I post a sample set of photos on the clubs io Group page. That will also have photos of the players. I post all the photos minus the photos of the players on my Flickr page. Now look at my photos and see if this makes any sense.

link

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2022 5:08 p.m. PST

Coincidently I am about to take photos of my set up for a game this Saturday.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2022 8:04 p.m. PST

OC, these files are great! You have quite a collection of stuff, beautiful buildings, especially Trenton, which is an especially beautiful layout. The figs are super. The whole thing is inspirational, much thanks for sharing.

I will be starting two Baccus 6mm AWI armies this fall. My FIW figs are Blue Moon. You have got me rolling again, thanks! Tort

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2022 8:33 p.m. PST

Well I meant Tortorella when I said Parzival, apologies.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP05 Aug 2022 6:51 a.m. PST

No sweat— I have the same problem as you, OC. Though my gaming buddies aren't opposed to the photography, it's more that I'm sensitive to avoiding breaking away from game time for their sakes. It helps when a game is divided into clear phases— when all movement is done, when all combat is done, etc.— or in an IGOUGO game when I can take a photo while a player is contemplating his action for his turn. That's a natural break that doesn't tend to intrude on playing time.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP05 Aug 2022 3:12 p.m. PST

Well thanks to all those who take pics!

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