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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian03 Aug 2022 4:00 a.m. PST

The Army National Guard will get to keep its famed 29th Infantry Division patch with references to the Confederacy after a review from a commission established by Congress to consider removing references tied to Southern rebels used by the military…

Military: link

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP03 Aug 2022 4:23 a.m. PST

A small victory, but does not look to be 100% from reading the article (something about still having to change something about their heraldry). But still great they can keep the historic patch.

45thdiv03 Aug 2022 5:46 a.m. PST

At least they didn't have to change patch designs like the 45th division. It first had the swastika during ww1. Of course they changed it to the Native American Indian symbol of the thunderbird when WW2 came around. I'm glad the 29th is able to keep their patch.

arthur181503 Aug 2022 6:23 a.m. PST

Before I read the article, I had assumed the patch must have included a Confederate Battle Flag, which I could have understood, but find it is the fact that the yin yang symbol is partly grey that was the issue. How pathetic! To remove it would surely have risked suggesting that 'soldiers with family ties to the Confederacy' were no longer welcome to join the US Army.

Grelber03 Aug 2022 7:23 a.m. PST

How very odd to see common sense prevail!

Grelber

Legion 403 Aug 2022 8:44 a.m. PST

PC, SJW, Woke, etc. out of control … again … But a little victory for history & common sense …

Wackmole903 Aug 2022 9:34 a.m. PST

You see though awful Northerner , who fought in the war. Believe in forgiveness and reconciliation. They should have never forgive or forget and keep the traitors down even until today.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP03 Aug 2022 10:12 a.m. PST

Last statement ??

Major Mike03 Aug 2022 10:39 a.m. PST

Wearing that patch didn't seem to be a problem on Omaha beach, don't these people have anything better to do, like, train troops for war?

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP03 Aug 2022 3:15 p.m. PST

I thought the patch was a good thing, symbolizing unity and mutual forgiveness. Yea, it was about the war – so what? it shows that both sides serve together now for the greater good. More of an inspiration.

Maybe somebody should design a patch with a similar red and blue pattern. We can all wear it.

HMS Exeter04 Aug 2022 9:05 a.m. PST

Tortorella

That's not a half bad idea.

Grelber04 Aug 2022 9:08 a.m. PST

Tortorella +1

Grelber

Legion 404 Aug 2022 1:29 p.m. PST

You see though awful Northerner , who fought in the war.
I didn't fight in the ACW ?!? 😯I was not born yet !!! 👶 old fart

Major Mike +1 x 10 …

Don't waste time on rewriting history that we can't change anyway. We have to remember and learn from the past. And anytime the military wastes time & $ on woke, CRT, etc. topics in time better used to train to be warfighters.

If some up in the highest leadership positions have not noticed … we live in very dangerous times, e.g. Ukraine/Putin, Xi/Tiawan, Iran, GWoT, etc. And No Climate Change is and cannot be the Military's highest priority. Was not 18 months ago or is it now. As some in very high leadership positions has said before and are still saying.

Maybe somebody should design a patch with a similar red and blue pattern. We can all wear it.
We have one … it's called the American Flag. If anyone finds that threating, as I have heard some say in the media, etc. Well, maybe they should go live somewhere else …

Personal logo Bobgnar Supporting Member of TMP04 Aug 2022 1:52 p.m. PST

Soon all references to the Civil War of Southern Succession between the States, the then Recent Unpleasantness will be erased and it will be as if it never existed. Future generations will told the tragedy of slavery in the United States and no one will ever know how it ended.

Legion 405 Aug 2022 8:34 a.m. PST

+1 Bob … it is like something out of 1984 …

Legion 409 Aug 2022 6:33 a.m. PST

The "woke/CRT/1619" culling of our history continues … Now want to remove CSA Battle Streamers from unit flags. Erasing military history for some units that fought for the CSA. Again, likened to Orwell's "1984".

You can't erase history because you don't like it or disagree with it.

link

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP09 Aug 2022 7:25 a.m. PST

Not what I mean, Legion, but I get your point. A national symbol like the flag is not a specific unit patch however. Red and blue symbolize our division, so make them symbolize our unity with a patch that helps redefine the negative and turn it into a positive. This is exactly what the 29th infantry patch does for that unit.

Maybe we can show a new unity with a similar red/blue patch.

The flag is a separate topic. Some have disrespected the flag in protest. It was the enemy flag for the South at one time. Fox News has always claimed red white and blue and splashed it everywhere to help sell their image. They know marketing. Those Medicare supplement insurance tv ads are always in red white and blue to make them look like official government entitlements. The flag colors are being monetized and politicized more and more. It's our job as citizens to make sure we don't fall for it and identify the flag mostly with one party, one news network, one insurance company, a product, etc.

My point was that maybe a red/blue patch can become a specific symbol of healing and a return to unity for everyone, as it did for the 29th.

Legion 409 Aug 2022 7:56 a.m. PST

My point was that maybe a red/blue patch can become a specific symbol of healing and a return to unity for everyone, as it did for the 29th.
Well there are a few US Army Red, White & Blue patches. And those have been around for a long time. E.g. 82d, 11th, etc. As well as the US Army wears the American flag on the combat uniform.

As far as unity & healing … that is not able to occur at this time. With all the current "events" going on for many months. Again, the tail is wagging the dog.

If someone wants to wear a red, white & blue patch the American flag is fine. Even the Betsy Ross flag, which some say is a White Supremacists symbol. It is not … it is a part of our history. If some want to believe otherwise … that's on them.

Fox News has always claimed red white and blue and splashed it everywhere to help sell their image.
I watch FOX … I like their support of Vets, the Military, etc. Some of the other news media has said many things that is not supportive of the Vets, the military, LEO, etc.

The list of woke anti-military, anti-LEO, etc., is rampant on many of those progressive woke "news" channels. And don't forget The View … to them everything is about racism … If everything is racist than nothing is racists …

Getting off my soap box … 'nuff said …

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP09 Aug 2022 9:09 a.m. PST

I understand what you are saying.

So this patch would be only red and blue – no white. It could be the same design as the 29th. It would symbolize the desire for reunification as the blue gray patch has done. It's not about the flag, more about political maps and divisions. It's an update of the 29th blue/gray for citizens.

i am looking at how Fox markets itself. The Murdochs are masters of messaging their viewers and making sure rivals are portrayed through itheir lense. If all conservatives liked pretty butterflies, they would flood the Fox sets with that image. They want results in the bank.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP09 Aug 2022 9:15 a.m. PST

By the way, I have never seen the View and never will. Those people make me cringe. But all I know about them is what Fox tells me. Same for MSNBC. I do watch CNN for broader news content than Fox, along with PBS. I have never seen anti vet bias on these two that I recall, quite the opposite. Woke, yes. Anti vet, no.

Legion 409 Aug 2022 9:30 a.m. PST

i am looking at how Fox markets itself.
Nothing illegal about that … yet …

They want results in the bank
Yep Capitalism works along with freedom of speech. Unless they get taxed out of business …

Those people make me cringe.

The only time I see The View is the clips FOXs shows. To highlight their idiocy, racism, bias, anti-American, etc. Bleeped text.

Woke, yes. Anti vet, no.
It has been there … I saw it … Not only anti-Vet but Anti-Military. Not that often … but again it is there.

I got "sensitive feel'n's", ya know !

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP09 Aug 2022 11:03 a.m. PST

I was wrong, heard the Brooke Baldwin quote and apologized to you on the other thread, Legion…. I have sensitive feelings myself!

Legion 409 Aug 2022 5:43 p.m. PST

Thank you ! Didn't know she was on TMP …

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