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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian31 Jul 2022 10:27 p.m. PST

…The A-10s "will not close our sky, they will not stop bombers and missiles," Sak said in a message. "They will be a target for Russian jet fighters and anti-aircraft defense, because we don't have the means neither to effectively cover them, nor to break through the enemy anti-aircraft defence."…

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Legion 401 Aug 2022 6:27 a.m. PST

Beat ya too it Bill !

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SBminisguy01 Aug 2022 7:29 a.m. PST

…they are also harder to resell on the black market…

Druzhina01 Aug 2022 4:08 p.m. PST

…they are also harder to resell on the black market…

Russian propaganda.


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carnot01 Aug 2022 6:09 p.m. PST

"Russian propaganda"…yeah, just like that plane that crashed full of Ukrainian munitions headed for somewhere other than the Ukraine…

raylev301 Aug 2022 7:58 p.m. PST

As much as I love the A10 as a close air support plane, it doesn't serve a purpose fighting first line fighter aircraft. You have to control the air to use it properly.

The cynic in me thinks the USAF saw this as an opportunity to get rid of its A10s, which they have been trying to do for decades. It's no longer being manufactured, and, IIRC, they're not making parts for it anymore. Sooooo, if the A10s go to Ukraine, the USAF problem is solved.

Zephyr101 Aug 2022 9:18 p.m. PST

"The cynic in me thinks the USAF saw this as an opportunity to get rid of its A10s, which they have been trying to do for decades. "

And because they couldn't (this time) they're probably muttering "Curses, foiled again!"

;-)

Druzhina02 Aug 2022 4:03 a.m. PST

"Russian propaganda"…yeah, just like that plane that crashed full of Ukrainian munitions headed for somewhere other than the Ukraine…

As I posted in another thread, the munitions were Serbian made.
So I agree with you, that is also Russian propaganda.


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Legion 402 Aug 2022 9:29 a.m. PST

You have to control the air to use it properly.
Yes, like in Iraq and A'stan. Otherwise you have to use SEADS & CAP. More assets the Ukraine does not have. And today newer upgraded aircraft, e.g. the F-16, F/A-18, etc. can do all that and more.

Heedless Horseman02 Aug 2022 7:55 p.m. PST

Starting to ponder about A10 in modern environment… BUT…those early Russian Convoys…

SBminisguy02 Aug 2022 8:20 p.m. PST

As I posted in another thread, the munitions were Serbian made.
So I agree with you, that is also Russian propaganda.

It doesn't have to be propaganda to note that the US and NATO are throwing an amazing amount of cash and munitions at Ukraine, with little formal oversight. The US alone has sent some $54 USD Billion in aid in just a few months time -- a fire hose of aid. Past history shows that Ukraine has experienced a steep level of corruption, with money being laundered through Ukrainian firms and front groups back to Western politicians and interests. Has the Ukrainian government put an end to that??

Dunno.

So while I *hope* all of the aid is being used to fight Russia and help the Ukrainian people, the chaos of war always sees war profiteers. How sure are that ALL of that $54 USD billion going to good use? What's the "slippage" -- 5%? 10%?

Re: your statement about the shipment of munitions are we really for sure for sure that "Serbian made" weapons were on that plane, and even if so -- why?!? Why would you sell 11,000 kg of munitions you need to fight off an invader who poses an existential threat to your country?? Doesn't make sense.

Black Bull04 Aug 2022 1:18 p.m. PST

I assume Serbia sold the weapons to make a profit

Druzhina04 Aug 2022 5:40 p.m. PST

The only Ukrainian involvement in the Serbian arms shipment was that the plane was owned by a Ukrainian company. The Serbs could have hired any transport company willing to transport munitions.

Yes corruption exists.

Saying "they are also harder to resell on the black market" was a cheap shot that had no direct connection to the topic. The Russians claim to have bought a HIMARS on the black-market but have provided no evidence – even though they usually trumpet any success with a video. So this cheap shot is reinforcing Russian propaganda, and giving carnot an opportunity to add some more propaganda.


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