The H Man | 11 Jul 2022 3:01 p.m. PST |
Just opened a lovely looking Warlord games Naps box for a client… No bases. Nothing is mentioned on the box, that I can see, just photos of painted and based models. In their defence, they aren't listed in contents. However if you coming from another company, like GW or Perry, one would assume there are bases. Hopefully it won't be an issue, but if I bought them off the shelf myself without looking into them first, I'd be more than slightly annoyed. |
d88mm1940 | 11 Jul 2022 3:27 p.m. PST |
So, what do you do? Do you charge the client for some bases or just eat it? Or make homemade bases "custom build bases? Just curious. cheers! |
JimDuncanUK | 11 Jul 2022 4:02 p.m. PST |
What scale/size are these? |
The H Man | 11 Jul 2022 4:33 p.m. PST |
28mm. link I have been thinking of stocking up on bases and other stuff. So, I think I will regardless of if this is an issue. I have had previous times where there aren't enough bases sent (not WL) or something may be better on a base, what have you. Pays to be prepared. The odd base/s I wouldn't be fussed. These are 100+, so I don't know, haven't had time to think about it. It's a good job, so if needed, and if I had them, I probably would. But at this point I'm not sure, and I don't, unless I made them. I have to wait to hear back. |
d88mm1940 | 11 Jul 2022 5:21 p.m. PST |
What an awkward dilemma. Good luck on a solution. |
79thPA | 11 Jul 2022 5:24 p.m. PST |
I'd just email the client and ask them if they were aware that the figures don't have bases. |
The H Man | 12 Jul 2022 12:00 a.m. PST |
I agree with you both. I did email before posting and have been told to paint them as is. Painting figures without bases is not new to me, as some people like doing their own basing. This was just not mentioned, and I think took us both by suprise. WL should really state "bases not included". Not that there is anything wrong with not including them, as different games require different basing, but they should be upfront about it. I'm going to check the box again, but even their site doesn't seem to mention it, yet shows bases in photos. |
Dexter Ward | 12 Jul 2022 12:51 a.m. PST |
I wouldn't expect bases to be included. Not sure why they should be; base size depends on the rules you are going to be using. seldom use included bases as they are usually the wrong size. |
olicana | 12 Jul 2022 3:48 a.m. PST |
Just opened a box of plastic warlord Landsknechts I got as a freebie and done nothing with. No bases. Looks standard. One pro to another: If you have spare bases you don't want, suck it up. If you don't, contact the client, tell him the issue and suggest he goes to Warlord, purchases the bases he wants and has them shipped to you direct. I base on home cut MDF (unless the client wants otherwise) and include it 'free' in my basing charge, used or not. If he wants anything else, the client must supply the bases of his choice. I've always thought this reasonable and so have my clients. |
forrester | 12 Jul 2022 4:45 a.m. PST |
For Napoleonic plastics I think it's only Perry who supply with each set a sprue of bases of various sizes and which I never use. I cut out my own from thick card and would prefer they used the plastic for something else. I suspect Perry have a particular rule set in mind as their boxes tend to aimed at producing one battalion of whatever it is. I think expecting otherwise is akin to getting cross if the flag sheet isn't something you can use. Individual bases for figures is as much as it's reasonable to anticipate. |
Dexter Ward | 12 Jul 2022 8:23 a.m. PST |
Bases are so easy to make; mounting card (offcuts often available free from picture framers) or coins for circular bases. |
79thPA | 12 Jul 2022 8:53 a.m. PST |
I always assume that bases are not included unless it explicitly states otherwise. |
The H Man | 12 Jul 2022 4:33 p.m. PST |
Checked the box again, no mention at all. My concern is more for new people (though it even got me) or people just picking the box off a shelf from a store as a thing to paint, with no prior knowledge. Yes, Perry's are doing the exact correct thing. As Warlord would be if they just said bases not included, or showed a photo of the contents. I know it's not in their list on the box, but one may assume the bases are part of the figures or on the figure sprue. There is certainly nothing to suggest otherwise. Cheers on the framer offcuts. Something to check out. Yeah, bases are cheap enough to give away, maybe not with my cazy $1 USD-5, but they should be assembled anyway. But at higher end, if I have them probably no problem. If they need to be ordered, I'd ask. |
Dexter Ward | 13 Jul 2022 12:43 a.m. PST |
Victrix don't have bases in their boxes, neither do Wargames Atlantic, and I don't think Fireforge do either. I think only Perry do. So they are the exception, not the rule, and the Perry boxes do say they have bases. So unless the box says it includes bases, it doesn't. |
Griefbringer | 13 Jul 2022 12:39 p.m. PST |
I think only Perry do. Also the Gripping Beast plastic boxes (at least the early ones that I have bought) came with a sprue or so of plastic bases. I suspect Perry have a particular rule set in mind as their boxes tend to aimed at producing one battalion of whatever it is. I have been informed that the rectangular bases that they include in many sets (including medievals) match the basing conventions in General de Brigade rules. |
The H Man | 13 Jul 2022 1:51 p.m. PST |
With Perry's, I think it's more of a case that renedra manufacturer the miniatures for the Perrys, but they also manufacture the bases themselves. Perry's probably get the bases for a very good price. Rule or not, it's misleading. You shouldn't have to buy a half dozen boxes from various companies to find out bases usually aren't included. Going back to older airfix and such, bases aren't included, but the models are usually moulded on bases large enough to support them. But these aren't sold as wargaming figures. Warlords are and I don't think a regiment of these guys unbased will stand or move around very well on the table top. Basically (pardon the pun) Warlords figures (at least some?) are not usable for intended purpose. I'm keen to know if their games in a box with rules and terrain and figures include bases? I know their epic battles do. Do the extra brigade boxes for epic battles? As they also have moulded on wee bases, completely useless for the game as is, but also have pegs to go into the base, I believe. What about their fantasy/sci fi ranges? I always assumed they came with bases. Most wargames designed figures I've come across have them. D&D, GW, Perry, so on. Or at least moulded on bases sufficient for the game they are for, like many board games I have painted for people. The box definitely says "Black Powder", their wargame that the miniatures are designed for. |
Griefbringer | 14 Jul 2022 1:44 a.m. PST |
Checking the Warlord Games plastic boxed sets, at least their 28 mm WWII infantry sets (Bolt Action line) seem to explicitely mention that the boxes include plastic bases (25 mm round) for the figures. Their ancient sets (Romans and Celts) do not seem to mention anything about bases in the on-line description. That said, my impression is that the basing standard for Hail Caesar and Black Powder tend to be somewhat vague. |