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YogiBearMinis Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2022 5:26 a.m. PST

Has anyone seen the newer 15' x 7' mat for Waterloo produced by Cigar Box Battle, meant to represent 1" equals 100 yards?

Part of my curiosity is that the actual Waterloo battle line was only 2.5 miles long, whereas this mat represents 10 miles by 4.5 miles.

rustymusket Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2022 6:26 a.m. PST

Wants to take into account Grouchy and the Prussians and British reserves on their far right flank (forget where they were and stayed)?

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian21 Jun 2022 6:39 a.m. PST

Tempted, also the Gettysburg mat

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2022 8:21 a.m. PST

It says 1' (one foot) to 100yds not 1" (one inch) and it is 15ft wide.

At a glance it shows most of the Allies vs Napoleon field and leaves plenty of room for some Prussian intervention to the East, but I think it excludes Plancenoit. It does look very nice indeed, but it is 350 bucks……

Gus Fring21 Jun 2022 8:55 a.m. PST

I grabbed one from the TMP Marketplace for $50. USD
It was listed as 4'x6' but closer to 5'x7'. I used it for an AWI skirmish of Spencer's Ordinary.
Going on the principle that the map in the British Grenadier scenario book was hastily scrawled by a 2nd Lieutenant, it was perfect. I think it was supposed to be an actual ACW battle.

Their site shows a complete Gettysburg, but also broken down into various sectors for a more reasonable price.

Duc de Brouilly21 Jun 2022 9:05 a.m. PST

Shame they no longer seem to have a supplier in the UK.

JimDuncanUK21 Jun 2022 11:00 a.m. PST

This is a 'Giant Waterloo Map'.


24 metres by 8 metres.

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Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2022 1:15 p.m. PST

Wait until you all see Capt. Siborne's Model of Waterloo Remodelled, at the National Army Museum in London. The word is that it will be the size of a tennis court, but indoors, all in 1/72 scale.

That Glasgow display I missed and how I do regret that.

Old Contemptible21 Jun 2022 4:57 p.m. PST

I am trying to think of a way to use this. I already have all the buildings and terrain. I don't understand why you want to play Waterloo or any battle with flat printed terrain.

To me it looks odd to have figures marching on the tops of trees. It does show you were everything is placed. So I guess I could put my trees on the printed trees, buildings on top of buildings, etc.

The mat would be great for aerial games. I could see WW1 and WW2 aircraft dogfighting on this mat.

14Bore21 Jun 2022 5:01 p.m. PST

Have to play outside

YogiBearMinis Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2022 8:41 p.m. PST

@deadhead—the 1 foot is a typo. It is 1 inch equals 100 yards. It also does include Placenoit. I got an email back from them confirming this. The idea is to allow much more maneuver on the flanks.

Personal logo 4th Cuirassier Supporting Member of TMP22 Jun 2022 1:30 a.m. PST

How do you move troops in the middle of a seven-foot-wide table? Is that possible?

Gus Fring22 Jun 2022 8:32 a.m. PST

Walk around to the other side?

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP22 Jun 2022 8:33 a.m. PST

4th Cuirassier, I used to have regular access to a 7x24. It's just possible. Of course, it helped that wargamers' stomachs didn't keep them quite as far from the table 50 years ago. Even then, you'd sometimes see a young thin gamer crawling on the table itself.

I regard 6' as the practical max and 7' as something to be considered in special circumstances--which, of course, this would be.

OC, you're almost there. You'd place buildings and trees where the mat put them, hills possibly under the mat, and do nothing to fields, streams and roads. This means your roads would not separate and joints, your woods boundaries would be clear, and your buildings wouldn't exceed their historical scale footprint. I have seen too often a ground scale of about 1/500 with La Haye Saint and Hougoumont at 1/72 or 1/56.

Nick Stern Supporting Member of TMP22 Jun 2022 11:28 a.m. PST

Croupier sticks?

Robert le Diable22 Jun 2022 1:59 p.m. PST

A propos, I've long considered something like that, to allow greater depth for reserves (without playing "along", rather than "across" a table), involving something like those RAF HQs seen in some 1950s/1960s movies, but that requires both a smooth surface – such as the Waterloo mat in question appears to be – and fairly big, stable, blocks of troops. Casualty removal wouldn't really be an option.

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