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Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2022 2:24 p.m. PST

Which historical character from the conflict commonly known as the "War of the Roses" is most deserving of a full length movie?


5) Henry the 6th
4) The Yorkist Princes (of the Tower)
3) Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick & "Kingmaker"
2) Edward the 4th (admittedly probably the best story)
1) Richard the 3rd (everybody loves a good Badguy)

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Jun 2022 2:42 p.m. PST

I'd LOVE to see a good miniseries covering the whole shee-bang!

That said, Ian McKellen is my favorite Richard III of all time….

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2022 2:52 p.m. PST

I DO think you could do it all in 3 movies (Henry 6th, Edward the 4th & Richard III).

A Netflix & BBC show would be great too.

Eumelus Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2022 3:33 p.m. PST

(6) Margaret of Anjou. Even if you're a Yorkist sympathizer, you have to hand it to her for her extraordinary, heroic efforts to keep her coalition going, to win foreign support, and to even swallow her fury at Warwick to try to win for her son what she considered her birthright. A suitably tragic end would make a powerful end to the film.

Personal logo Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2022 3:47 p.m. PST

No love for Lambert Simnel…?
<dives into bunker>

Personal logo SBminisguy Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2022 4:24 p.m. PST

I'd love to see a fair historical treatment of Richard III, given that much of our attitudes towards him are colored by centuries of Tudor propaganda, which extended to re-touching paintings to create the "hunchback king" myth, Shakespeare's play (which was approved by the Tudors), and so forth.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2022 4:29 p.m. PST

SBminisguy +1

Personal logo Yellow Admiral Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2022 4:31 p.m. PST

I would like to see something like The White Queen with fights, battles, and male characters with depth. The strong emphasis on personal and family relationships was exactly the right theme for Medieval politics, but war is drama, and the subject is the Wars of the Roses, fergoshsakes.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2022 5:16 p.m. PST

Richard Neville or Richard III for me

But Margaret of Anjou would be good too

HMS Exeter14 Jun 2022 5:20 p.m. PST

Find some perpetually snozzled Irish absurdist playwrite, get him royally polluted, bring in a medium to channel Samuel Beckett, and have him pen the tale of the Princes,…

Waiting for the Blade.

Wackmole914 Jun 2022 5:44 p.m. PST

Movie of the battle of Bosworth, So I can see Richard get his due.

mildbill14 Jun 2022 6:36 p.m. PST

Edward, never lost a battle but done in by eels.

Grattan54 Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2022 7:18 p.m. PST

I think a good one would be to focus on the House of York. A bunch of interesting people there.

Martin Rapier15 Jun 2022 2:16 a.m. PST

I thought The White Queen was excellent and a very fair representation of both Warwick and Richard (even if he was a bit emo!). Yes, it was a histori-drama, but was good fun. The books go on a bit though.

MacColla15 Jun 2022 5:09 a.m. PST

Got to be Edward IV, for me.
Shakespeare as "history" of Wars of the Roses? That's like saying the movies "Braveheart" or "Cromwell" are history!

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP15 Jun 2022 9:54 a.m. PST

"I think a good one would be to focus on the House of York. A bunch of interesting people there"

I'm reading a book right now called "The Brothers York" that would be a good starting place for a script.

Deucey Supporting Member of TMP15 Jun 2022 10:13 a.m. PST

All good except Princes in the tower.

White Queen was very good in my opinion, and I'm pretty critical of most ‘medieval' movies.

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP16 Jun 2022 8:49 a.m. PST

I sort of feel there is no real chance of an historically accurate movie for this period, who would know? A few scholars would catch some things, but for history this old, script writers have a ton of blanks to fill in. We have no real clue about everyday speech, for example. Writings are not the same. Anachronisms abound in these things. That we even know of.

So just make it a good drama, like Shakespeare did with Julius Caesar, and I will watch.

42flanker16 Jun 2022 11:28 a.m. PST

There are clues about contemporary speech, between Chaucer's Canterbury Tales' and 'Gawain and the Green Knight' (although representing different dialects) Rhyme schemes help ascertain pronunciation.

I don't think, though, that the audience would thank you for using a script in authentic vernacular.

"Yondah is the castle of my fader" Now _that_ is historical drama.

Martin Rapier17 Jun 2022 5:19 a.m. PST

I always thought line was "Yondah lies the cassle ov my foddah". What a great movie.

A WOTR film in Middle English would be a real hoot. It is OK to make out written down, but some of the words are bit obscure, and add in contemporary pronunciation… Still if they can shoot Vikings in Old Norse and Frankish, why not?

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP18 Jun 2022 12:08 a.m. PST

Andrew Trollope is another fun story if you wanna avoid the Nobles.

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