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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP22 May 2023 5:55 p.m. PST

Agreed !

Tango0122 May 2023 10:19 p.m. PST

Does America Still Need Europe?


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Russia's invasion of Ukraine is spurring a transition of global order

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2023 8:47 a.m. PST

Yes, the Russians, PRC/CCP, India and others don't like the current world order. They would like and are trying to change it. The West does not have the capable leadership to stem this tide. FDR and Churchill are needed … Not the poor excuse for leadership the West has today.

JSchutt23 May 2023 10:28 a.m. PST

If public approval ratings for G7 leaders leading their citizens into poverty through self imposed sanctions and war matter one can only guess…
34% Trudeau
33% Sunak
34% Scholtz
31% Kishida
25% Macron
49% Meloni
42% Biden

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa23 May 2023 11:32 a.m. PST

Those ratings look quite high for some of them….

I'm going to tell you a little secret about real democracies, sometimes the person in charge isn't very popular!

Try doing a time series chart…

At least I can call a war a war.
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UshCha23 May 2023 12:48 p.m. PST

JSchutt – So what is Putins approval rating based on real facts not Putins FSB ruled raiting?

Do you really think Putin is really higher rated than Macron? Your numbers are meaningless without a real Putin rating.
If he were to be ruler of Ukraine would he suddenly be loved more than Meloni or far less than Macron.

JSchutt23 May 2023 1:21 p.m. PST

The topic is "How Long Can The Western Consensus On The Ukraine War Hold?" not "How popular is Putin compared to the G7. Choose any number you like for Putin…. as for the G7 their citizens don't seem to be very happy… but then again expectations of politicians in general is pretty low.

Andy ONeill23 May 2023 1:29 p.m. PST

There's
lies
damn lies

Then there's extrapolation from approval ratings done by someone who has an agenda to push.

Macron, for example, has been intending to push through changes from years such as pension reforms.
Yellow vest protesters started in 2018.
Which was of course rather before Russia's most recent invasion of Ukraine.

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa23 May 2023 2:11 p.m. PST

The West's support for the war will last as long as it lasts. But I'd say this, public support will have to dip well below current levels for a sustained period before it becomes a significant political issue. There is a difference between Westoid's getting bored and cutting support being an issue they will actively bend the ear of their representatives about. There is a certainly no mainstream UK political party talking up discontinuation of support for Ukraine with a general election coming up.

Anyone would think there is something wrong with an international rules based order?

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP23 May 2023 5:45 p.m. PST

The West's support for the war will last as long as it lasts.
To let Putin "win" will only embolden him and those like him. Plus if Putin is not pushed out of the Ukraine, it will be like awarding bad behavior …

Tango0123 May 2023 10:09 p.m. PST

Russia Is Already Looking Beyond Ukraine

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Armand

Tango0124 May 2023 10:31 p.m. PST

China, Iran, Belarus, and Armenia all fear a Russian defeat in Ukraine


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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP25 May 2023 11:01 a.m. PST

They all should be concerned … As one of the bigger militaries in the world will be defeated. Pushing them into a second class state. Whose only "saving grace" is their nukes.

Tango0125 May 2023 10:18 p.m. PST

More Countries 'Ready' To Join F-16s For Ukraine Program

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German Government Being Urged To Transfer Long Range Missiles With A Range Of 400 – 500 Kilometers To Ukraine


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Is Poland Preparing To Invade Belarus?

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Armand

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa26 May 2023 10:02 a.m. PST

Is Poland Preparing To Invade Belarus?

That article is weird.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP26 May 2023 6:57 p.m. PST

IMO – No … Poland will not invade Putin's puppet Belarus.

Even if Putin is deploying some of his Nukes in Belarus …

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Tango0126 May 2023 10:37 p.m. PST

U.S. Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland Says The US Has Been Helping Plan the Ukrainian ‘Counteroffensive' Against Russia For Months


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Armand

Tango0129 May 2023 10:17 p.m. PST

Poland To Close Its Border For Russian, Belarusian Trucks


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Brazil's Lula Turns Down Putin Invitation to Visit Russia

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2023 10:49 a.m. PST

All sounds good …

Tango0130 May 2023 11:14 p.m. PST

U.S. President Biden Considering Sending Long Range ATACMS Missiles To Ukraine

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2023 8:09 a.m. PST

Do it !!!! And get this over with !!! No one in our gov't studies GEN U.S. Grant anymore ?

Tango0131 May 2023 10:28 p.m. PST

White House Announces A New $300 USD Million US Military Aid Package For Ukraine


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Inspector General Says US Equipment For Ukraine Wasn't Combat-Ready

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NATO foreign ministers debate Ukraine's status

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From Refurbished Russian Tanks to IKEA Furniture, Here Are 6 Unexpected Types of Aid Sent to Ukraine

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Armand

Tango0102 Jun 2023 8:39 p.m. PST

Germany Orders Russia To Close 4 Out Of Its 5 Consulates


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Armand

Tango0105 Jun 2023 11:00 p.m. PST

Germany to supply Ukraine with 66 BATT UMG 4x4 armored vehicles and not Fuchs APCs


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Ukrainian Defense Minister announces receipt of 60 allied Leopard 2 tanks


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Germany increasing its military support for Ukraine with drones and wide range of weapon systems

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US bolsters Ukraine's air defense capabilities with additional Patriot, Avenger and Stinger missiles

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Ukraine Navy officially receives Gyurza M class gunboat Bucha

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP06 Jun 2023 3:43 p.m. PST

Nice ! Love the camo !

Tango0106 Jun 2023 10:30 p.m. PST

Why Sanctions On Russia Are Not Working


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Armand

Tango0107 Jun 2023 10:12 p.m. PST

Former Nato Secretary General Anders Rasmussen Says Nato Members May Send Troops To Ukraine

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP08 Jun 2023 11:16 a.m. PST

I hope that does not happen … it could start WWIII ?

dapeters08 Jun 2023 12:25 p.m. PST

If NATO allows members to send troops, then it's up to Putin or his people to decide how bad he looses.

Tango0108 Jun 2023 10:37 p.m. PST

US Sends 2,000 Guard Troops, 100 Aircraft to Unprecedented NATO Exercise Aimed to Deter Russia


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Polish militants join armored assaults into Russian Territory

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP09 Jun 2023 4:35 p.m. PST

Poles have a long history of not liking Russians.

Tango0110 Jun 2023 10:40 p.m. PST

Pro-Russian Politicians Are On The Rise In Austria And Slovakia


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Marines Create an Unmanned Aircraft Carrier


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Armand

Tango0111 Jun 2023 8:47 p.m. PST

US Navy Has Received The First Upgraded E-6B Mercury ‘Doomsday Plane'


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Armand

Tango0113 Jun 2023 10:10 p.m. PST

U.S. Rushing A New Military Aid Package To Ukraine To Replace Stryker And Bradley Armored Vehicles That Have Been Destroyed

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France, Germany and Poland Vow Long-Term Support For Ukraine


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Europe: Is compulsory military service coming back?


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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP14 Jun 2023 8:53 a.m. PST

Bottom line IMO … the US, NATO, etc. need to continue to support the Ukraine. To stop would only look like Putin has won. Plus embolden PRC/CCP to possibly attack Taiwan. Both saw/see weakness in many in the West, with its #1 Superpower(?) in the lead. And many have taken advantage of the situation.

Tango0114 Jun 2023 10:28 p.m. PST

White House Now Considering An 'Israeli Security Model' For Ukraine


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NATO Has Switched to War Footing With Russia

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP15 Jun 2023 7:46 a.m. PST

To improve success in the Ukraine, NATO and the US should be on a war footing. NATO has to make Putin and the Russians realize NATO is a credible force again. IMO the US should pick up the pace of material support. If Russia "wins", Xi may see this a good time to invade Taiwan. They know the weakness in the West starting at the top.

Tango0115 Jun 2023 10:03 p.m. PST

Turkey's Erdogan Says No Nato Membership For Sweden


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U.S. Deploys F-22s To Jordan To Counter Russian Military Actions In The Region


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Czech President Petr Pavel Wants Stricker Security Measures Imposed On Russians Living In Western Countries

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Armand

Tango0116 Jun 2023 10:08 p.m. PST

Is Israel About To Send Merkava Tanks To Ukraine?


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Switzerland's Largest Political Party Boycotts Ukraine President Zelensky's Speech At The Swiss Parliament

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP17 Jun 2023 7:30 p.m. PST

Hmmm … FWIW – when has the Swiss involvement been decisive in conflicts of the 20th & 21st Centuries? But they do make good chocolate.

wardog18 Jun 2023 2:12 p.m. PST

problem is they are producing various ammo types, example ammo for gepard aa ,which they wont send to ukraine at present

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP18 Jun 2023 2:31 p.m. PST

Good point … they do make other things than chocolate. This would be just another bump in the road with this conflict.

Tango0118 Jun 2023 9:58 p.m. PST

U.S. Lawmakers Want To Send ATACMS Missiles For Ukraine

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Swedish Parliamentary Report Says Russian Attack Cannot Be Ruled Out

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Armand

Tango0119 Jun 2023 9:56 p.m. PST

Many Weapons Sent To Ukraine Have Not Been Delivered Or Too Broken To Use

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Djuro Djakovic company from Croatia proposes help to repair Ukraininan Soviet-era tanks


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Belgian Defense to offer first batch of 40 to 50 M113 APCs to Ukraine after refurbishment by John Cockerill


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Germany delivers two more Wisent 1 MC tanks to boost Ukraine's Mine-Clearing capabilities


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Denmark and Norway jointly offer additional artillery shells for Ukraine army

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UK announces major air defence military aid package for Ukraine


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US to provide more Bradley IFVs and Stryker APCs to Ukraine due to recent battlefield losses


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Ukrainian army receives Czech Excalibur Army MR-2 Viktor 14.5mm anti-aircraft vehicles

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Discover the new US Army's M10 Booker MPF 105mm light armored tracked vehicle


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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP20 Jun 2023 10:01 a.m. PST

Yes, read an article on Military.com on the "new" M10 to give lighter units more firepower to kill Tanks, etc.

My concern is it may be too light ? To be easy to transport, etc., in C-17s, etc.

However just like with the M2, Stryker and LAV, they had to be up armored to make them more survivable on the modern battlefield. Will this happen with the M10 ?

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP20 Jun 2023 5:00 p.m. PST

From Military.com about the new M10 …

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Tango0120 Jun 2023 10:01 p.m. PST

Thanks!

By the way…


Video Emerges Showing U.S. 'Volunteers' Fighting Russian Toops In Ukraine

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP21 Jun 2023 8:10 a.m. PST

I'm sure there is more than just US volunteers fighting in Ukraine … vs the Russians …

Tango0122 Jun 2023 10:09 p.m. PST

US B-1B Bombers Land in Sweden For The First Time

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP23 Jun 2023 8:10 a.m. PST

👍👍 B-1s, B-2s, B-52s, B-21s, Reaper Drones, Nuke subs, Aircraft Carriers, Cruise Missiles … Yep … the USA is still the strongest military on the planet. So far …

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