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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP05 Jan 2025 12:27 a.m. PST

Seems NATO is still pulling its weight … As is the USA who just sent billions to the Ukraine to continue to fight the imperialistic Russians.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP05 Jan 2025 5:22 p.m. PST

The Turkish Carrier didn't look bad…


Armand

Tortorella Supporting Member of TMP06 Jan 2025 6:49 a.m. PST

Yes, Armand, it does look a little similar to ours, and handy that they can store it in a glass case!

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP06 Jan 2025 5:02 p.m. PST

Ha!Ha!…


Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP08 Jan 2025 10:45 p.m. PST

Norway Pays To Survive


" In 2018 Norway openly complained about Russia deliberately jamming GPS signals in Norway. The jamming was done from a Russian military base in the Kola Peninsula on the Barents Sea, where Norway and Russia share a small border. The jamming took place in late 2018 as NATO held its largest training exercise since the Cold War ended in 1991. Russia denied any responsibility even though they are known to possess long-range jammers, for GPS and other signals. Norway said they had tracked the jammer to a specific location but when Russia refused to admit any involvement, Norway refused to explain how they tracked the signal because that would provide Russia with information on Norwegian electronic warfare or EW equipment that might be useful to them. The jamming incident encouraged Norway to add more electronic warfare spending to its defense budget.

Norway is working towards nearly doubling their defense spending through 2036, when annual defense spending will almost double its military budget and reach 3 percent of GDP by 2036. This is about $55 USD billion a year. As recently as 2015 the annual defense budget was only $5.8 USD billion.

This money will make possible the purchase of more warships and reconnaissance drones as well as the formation of more infantry brigades to protect areas threatened by Russian forces. Over the next decade the navy will receive five new 4,300-ton frigates, each carrying an ASW/Anti-Submarine Warfare helicopter. There will be ten smaller warships using a new standardized design and the ability to add or remove modular weapons and support systems. With these smaller ships the emphasis is on ASW warfare. The navy will also be receiving five new submarines and over a dozen auxiliary vessels for mine clearing and offshore patrol. The navy is replacing its force of elderly P-3 maritime patrol aircraft with a larger number of maritime patrol drones that can patrol more frequently the northern waters near the Russian Kola base area…"

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP09 Jan 2025 10:46 a.m. PST

No surprise … the Russians don't play well with others …

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP10 Jan 2025 8:10 a.m. PST

Subject: Kremlin welcomes the possibility of a meeting between Trump and Putin – ABC News


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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP10 Jan 2025 11:01 a.m. PST

"Russia, Russia, Russia!"

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP11 Jan 2025 10:29 p.m. PST

Why America Abandoning Europe Would Be A Strategic Mistake

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New POTUS, New Policies: A Forecast of Five Futures for the Russia-Ukraine War

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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2025 10:15 p.m. PST

$20 USD Billion Price Tag To Complete Development Of USAF's Next Generation Fighter

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NATO Deploys Warships, Naval Drones to Baltic Sea Amid Russia Menace

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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP15 Jan 2025 10:36 p.m. PST

Geopolitical Consequences of Ukraine's Defeat

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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP17 Jan 2025 10:20 p.m. PST

Pentagon Develops New AI, Computer Processing & Hardware For 6th-Gen Stealth

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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP18 Jan 2025 7:43 a.m. PST

FWIW, IMO, as I have said before. The result will be a brokered peace, most likely the US being the "honest" broker. And maybe some from NATO ?

Russia will be allowed/able to hold the Donbas, land bridge to Crimea, and Crimea. Which will be used sometime in the future 10-15 years from then. As jump off points to invade Ukraine again. Most likely Putin won't be in charge. Some other old school former Soviet leaders, etc. will replace
Putin.

Vlad's not immortal, unless the Russians have perfected cloning or some kind of life extending tech, etc.

Hopefully, the US, NATO and others in the UN. Will have to establish a buffer zone between Russia and Ukraine. Manned by other UN nations. Like in other places in the world, e.g. Cyprus, etc.

The Russians and PRC/CCP being on the UN P5, will fight this, of course.

The US and some others in NATO will rebuild Ukraine. Making billions of $. USD As many places there the battle damage is beyond major.

No one, e.g. Putin, etc. who committed war crimes, etc. will not be tried. The UN, ICC, etc. will turn a blind eye. Nothing will be done and these criminals with get away with all of it.

Note: as I have mentioned previously the Russians really have not gained much ground in the Ukraine. Since their invasion 2+ years ago. Just look at a map of this conflict. Gaining or holding[Crimea] those little chunks of land with the cost of hundreds of thousands+ dead, massive equipment losses, etc. Again, Putin et al will get away with it … all …

Putin's gamble added two more nations, Finland and Sweden to NATO. Which was exactually the opposite of the war was supposedly about. I.e. NATO expansion East.

Demonstrated what we already knew. Modern conventional warfare is very deadly and very expensive. Plus, a new weapon that has been added to inventory. The massive use of Drones, relatively inexpensive, fairly easy to mass produce, and can be very effective.

As always with the advancing of high-tech. Creating weapons that tactics, techniques, etc. have to be adapted to.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP18 Jan 2025 10:31 p.m. PST

Why Aircraft Carriers Are Becoming Obsolete

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Trump Can Make Russia Pay to Rebuild Ukraine

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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP20 Jan 2025 10:22 p.m. PST

The US Pivot to Asia Depends on Peace in Ukraine


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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP22 Jan 2025 11:00 p.m. PST

Perkunas Patrol Ship: Lithuania's Answer to Modern Maritime Threats


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US Army 101st Airborne Division Develops 3D-Printed Small Drones for Air Assault Operations.


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Denmark strengthens Ukraine's artillery with a discreet delivery of 2S1 Gvozdika self-propelled howitzers

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Lithuania Continues Its Support to Ukraine with Delivery of New Drones and Loaders

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Sweden Deploys Mechanized Battalion in Latvia Near Russian Border in Historic First for NATO


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Ukraine and Japan Forge New Ties in Drone Technology and Defense

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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP25 Jan 2025 10:39 p.m. PST

The Undersea Cable War

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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP29 Jan 2025 10:38 p.m. PST

New Swedish Communications System

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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP31 Jan 2025 11:07 p.m. PST

7th Generation Fighter Could Be ‘Hypersonic' Shooting Lasers In Space


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Armand

Lilian01 Feb 2025 12:06 p.m. PST

Nearly half of Danes see United States as bigger threat than North Korea and Iran and 78% oppose Greenland sale

The poll of just over 1,000 people in Denmark, conducted between 15 and 22 January, found that 46% considered the US to be either "a very big threat" or "a fairly big threat" to Denmark.

This is higher than the number who said they considered North Korea or Iran a threat – of which 44% and 40% did respectively. But the threat of Russia remains considerably higher; 86% of respondents said they considered Moscow a threat.

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Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP01 Feb 2025 12:43 p.m. PST

US Army 101st Airborne Division Develops 3D-Printed Small Drones for Air Assault Operations.
Hell we were taught how to make booby traps using C-Rats cans, etc. Picked up a number of things from the VC, my NCOs used to say …

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP02 Feb 2025 10:10 p.m. PST

'Putin will never try again after this' — NATO chief has 'secret' ideas for Ukraine peace talks


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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP05 Feb 2025 10:18 p.m. PST

Welcome to 2034 – What the World could look like in ten years.


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Armand

Lilian06 Feb 2025 11:19 a.m. PST

First Mirage 2000 in the Ukrainian skyes with Ukrainian pilots on board who have been trained for several months in France
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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2025 10:42 p.m. PST

Why The Air Force Might Build 225 B-21 Raider Bombers

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Armand

Grattan54 Supporting Member of TMP06 Feb 2025 10:51 p.m. PST

What happened to Trump ending this in 24 hours? I keep checking my watch.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP10 Feb 2025 10:23 p.m. PST

The New Cold War Mindset


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Armand

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP11 Feb 2025 1:40 p.m. PST

Nearly half of Danes see United States as bigger threat than North Korea and Iran and 78% oppose Greenland sale

The poll of just over 1,000 people in Denmark, conducted between 15 and 22 January, found that 46% considered the US to be either "a very big threat" or "a fairly big threat" to Denmark.

This is higher than the number who said they considered North Korea or Iran a threat – of which 44% and 40% did respectively.

Greenland will not be sold. Why ? And the US and Greenland along Denmark will work it out. With nothing more deadly than a hangover. They welcome opening up US bases there again. Everywhere those bases are the local economy does very well. Plus working together to mine natural resources. Making all 3 parties more $ …

Frankly Denmark even considering North Korea and Iran a threat. Just displays how out of touch with reality they are. Guess the media is as biased, skewed, etc. as the US media is. They probably are more threatened by ETs/UFOs than either of those terrestrial nations. 👽🛸

But the threat of Russia remains considerably higher; 86% of respondents said they considered Moscow a threat.
Yep, the Russians are still a threat to NATO and many other locations in the world. Again, they just don't play well with others.

It just consistently amazes me what some Euros here say about the USA, Trump, etc., etc. They really just don't get it. Or hate Trump so much, just like some in DC, the Dems, etc. do. But you are not alone. Some in the USA are calling this a "Constitutional Crises" … IMO … The height of hypocrisy, being totally uniformized, or just being 🦇💩 👵Bleeped text crazy ! 😲

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2025 7:11 a.m. PST

"Nearly half of Danes see United States as bigger threat than North Korea and Iran and 78% oppose Greenland sale"

🤔 well maybe they should join a new alliance with Russia. I'm sure their arms will be wide and open… comrades. Sounds like some in France feel the same. Maybe France and Germany could form an alliance, if fear of Trump is that rampant. There had always been a long standing friendship between the two countries.., right?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2025 9:03 a.m. PST

Subject: Citizen Free Press on X: "PETE HEGSETH -- UKRAINE WILL NOT BE INVITED TO JOIN NATO. t.co/MuPYLfzVOd / X


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IMHO, a wise move.

Grattan54 Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2025 11:26 a.m. PST

Did you see there is a petition going around that asks Denmark to buy California? 200,000 people have sign it.

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2025 11:31 a.m. PST

Grattan yes, and this was my comment on the Canadian thread on TMP

😂

Ok we get Greenland. You get certain selected cities in California. Also a couple in Oregon and Washington. We could throw in Chicago and much of NYC. Not enough, ok we throw in a bag of wampum and some liberals to be designated later. Oh and the current leadership of Disney and the cast of the View.

WINNING!!

Trust me, after 10 years you'll be demanding we take them all back. 😂

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP12 Feb 2025 11:33 a.m. PST

Maybe the Danes will start on their invasion in their long ships, but will get waylaid at LINDISFARNE again. 😉

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP13 Feb 2025 3:47 p.m. PST

Yeah … things would change if they landed at Lindisfarne today …

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP13 Feb 2025 10:38 p.m. PST

Five Ways to Get NATO Allies to Spend 5%

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Mystery Tiltrotor Aircraft Emerges

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Armand

Lilian14 Feb 2025 4:33 p.m. PST

after the green light to Putin and another humiliation of Munich
Danish intelligence warns Russia could start a major war in Europe within 5 years
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Putin's Russia by the voices of the Russian TV propagandists exult
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U.S. President Donald J. Trump stunned the world by offering unprecedented concessions to Russia in its ongoing invasion of Ukraine on Wednesday—seemingly without getting anything in return. Before the formal peace talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin even started, Trump and members of his administration dismissed the idea that Ukraine could reclaim its territories that Russia currently occupies, slammed the door shut for Kyiv's hope of NATO membership, and refused to acknowledge Ukraine as an equal member in the peace process.

While Ukrainians and their allies were left in disbelief, Russian state TV and radio stations were full of elated propagandists, who grinned ear to ear and periodically broke out into uproarious laughter.

During Wednesday's broadcast of the state TV program 60 Minutes, host Olga Skabeeva described the events as "unthinkable" and "unimaginable." She asked Mikhail Antonov, the network's correspondent in Europe, "What does it all mean? Ukraine is left without NATO? Ukraine is left without money?" Antonov said that the era of American dominance had ended and surmised that Europe wouldn't be able to compete with the volume of military assistance America used to provide. Throughout his commentary, Skabeeva smiled broadly and couldn't hide her glee.

Co-host of 60 Minutes Evgeny Popov marveled at the fact that Trump is doing Moscow's job by destroying Western alliances and "sawing" Europe into pieces—something that the Kremlin dreamt of doing all along.

For years, Russian state TV experts predicted that Trump's return to the Oval Office would mean cutting off American aid to Ukraine, which would, in turn, change the odds in their favor. However, even the Kremlin's talking heads are surprised by the speed of Trump's gallop towards Moscow—and amazed that the leader of the mightiest nation in the world is treating war criminal Putin as his equal.

During Wednesday's broadcast of The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, Director General of Mosfilm Karen Shakhnazarov said that regardless of what happens in the future, Wednesday's revelations can be described as Russia's "big success." He said, "The president of the United States called the president of Russia. That alone is already a major success!"

Shakhnazarov explained, "The blockade has been broken. It means a lot to all of them that the president of the United States, the mightiest nation in the West, as great as the Roman Empire, made this call. It's as if Julius Caesar himself telephoned a barbarian, a chieftain of some German tribe."

Solovyov rejoiced about an assertion by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth that the United States intended to disregard NATO's Article 5 in the event Europe militarily engaged with Russia. Political scientist Sergey Mikheyev said, "In this situation, we should make it clear for the Europeans: now we can really strike Brussels, London or Paris, because we can forget about Article 5. You can forget the notion that Americans would step in on your behalf." Solovyov chimed in to add, "I like the way you think."

During Thursday's radio show, Full Contact, Solovyov approvingly read commentary by the network's correspondent in the U.S., Valentin Bogdanov, who wrote, "During negotiations, the victors are the ones dictating conditions. This is the foundation of diplomacy—and the entirety of what is being dictated should be said in the Russian language."

Solovyov added that the telephone conversation between Trump and Putin "has caused a total collapse of Zelensky's world," and Europe is "insanely panicked." He said that Trump's approach follows the logic of Putin's ultimatum in December 2021, when he claimed that "NATO expansion" was a core reason for the invasion. While gloating about the Trump administration repeatedly reiterating its belief that Ukraine must concede certain territories to Russia, Solovyov sternly asserted that Russia does not intend to relinquish any of its conquests.

The same view reverberated across Russia's state media, with experts urging the military to advance quickly and take as much Ukrainian land as possible. After Putin's negotiations with Trump, they fully anticipate being able to keep the spoils and evade the consequences.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP14 Feb 2025 5:03 p.m. PST

What a shame!….


Armand

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP14 Feb 2025 6:15 p.m. PST

Well Lilian, now you can take all that pent up hate for the US and lead the French back to their rightful place and make French the language of the World. What an opportunity. I even composed some lyrics for you.


Come all you Beggars of Paris town,
You lousy rabble of low degree
(Chorus: You rabble of low degree!)
Well spare King Macron to keep his crown
And save our city from Trumpudy
(Chorus: Our city from Trumpudy)
You and I are good for nothing but to die
We can die for Liberty.

Sons of toil and danger,
Will you serve a stranger
And bow down to Trumpudy
Sons of shame and sorrow,
Will you cheer tomorrow
For the crown of Trumpudy?
Onward! Onward! Swords against the Foe
Forward! Forward the lily banners go!
Sons of France around us,
Break the chain that bound us,
And to Hell with Trumpudy

Sons of toil and danger,
Will you serve a stranger
And bow down to Trumpudy
Sons of shame and sorrow,
Will you cheer tomorrow
For the crown of Trumpudy?
Onward! Onward! Swords against the Foe
Forward! Forward the lily banners go!
Sons of France around us,
Break the chain that bound us,
And to Hell with Trumpudy!

Dump that Revolutionary flag and raise the Lily Banners high again!

vive la France ! à bas l'Amérique

Or just March the French army across Europe again and maybe you can conquer Russia in a second attempt.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP14 Feb 2025 7:35 p.m. PST

OVI+1 …

Maybe some Euros should research before they post ! Don't know what Green light was given. Putin & Trump along with Zelensky have been talking behind the curtain. Even before Trump was in the WH.

Zelensky figured he'd have to forget about getting Crimea back and will probably lose the Donbas. Then Ukraine will be rebuilt by the US, Europe, etc. The USA has paid the lion's share of the support for the war in Ukraine. The first error was to let the last POTUS and his admin dragging their feet and not giving Ukraine all they needed as soon as they needed it. The Ukraine will help to pay back the US by giving the US some of nature resources/minerals(?), etc.

Now Europe wants to be at the meeting with Putin, Trump and Zelensky. Fine … it was a NATO effort. But I think NATO has missed the point. End this very, very expensive bloody war of imperialism. Too many losses for all involved. In both blood and treasure. It is at this time a stalemate. And Putin would "bleed the Ukrainian army dry" [you may have heard something similar to that being said in history before?]

Because Putin has what seems to be any endless supply of warm bodies, even now some North Korea. He and his cronies could care less about how many of their own forces die. He can just keep feeding the meatgrinder until Ukraine finally breaks. But now with the new US POTUS, Putin knows he can't bully, fool, etc. the new POTUS and his admin. As happened with the previous POTUS and his admin. They did not have the right stuff. Putin and all our enemies clearly saw that. Starting with the US horrendous withdrawal for A'stan.

NATO Article 5 never would come into play as even Putin and his intel assets knew they might get away with attacking Ukraine. But no way in Hell would they try to attack any NATO Nation. They know – "Hell's coming to breakfast, little lady!"

NATO has troops in Poland, the Baltic States, even Finland now. That Finland and Sweden jointed NATO as they saw that Putin was trying to get back the Imperial Empire. And Russia is well known for not playing well with others. That was clearly seen when many former Warsaw Pact joined NATO after the fall of the USSR. They did not want to risk Russian Imperialism coming back to their nation.

Another thing many must know. Whatever Putin or his crew say in the media is probably not true. They like to use deception, etc., but the US and many in NATO knows how the former Communists do things.

Again, whatever many hear in Europe in the media is probably not only a half-truth but an outright lie.

Yes the VP let Europe know, there is new sheriff in town. He and his admin are not the 2d & 3d team as the last admin was. What I think some in NATO don't understand the USA can't cover the check for another war in Europe. NATO members are to pay their share. Many are since Trump said in his first time in the WH four years ago. He would pull out of NATO if they didn't pay their 2% as is outlined in the NATO charter.

Oh and BTW Russian and North Korean troops are not taking much ground no matter what is told to the media. The are losing ground in some cases. They can keep attacking but as has been their standard. Heavy losses for few gains …

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP14 Feb 2025 7:39 p.m. PST

What a shame!….
You mean what a sham ?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP14 Feb 2025 8:04 p.m. PST

Legion, the problem is they listen to great intellectuals like this and believe they are wise.

I think Joy believes: "in vino veritas"

"MSNBC's Joy Reid has said that Republicans are so willing to follow Donald Trump that they would be let him sell the US to Russia.

The outlandish remark came during an interview on Thursday night during which Reid questioned Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY).

'If Donald Trump announced tomorrow that he was selling the United States to Vladimir Putin personally and that we will now be owned by the Kremlin, every single Republican would say, "Yes, sir," and vote for it,' Reid claimed. "

Subject: Hysterical Joy Reid's absurd claims about Trump 'selling America' to Putin


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Lilian14 Feb 2025 8:56 p.m. PST

…what is the matter? Is the Mime Marceau who came to eat your white bread today, or the fact to live in a former French territory who can explain such behaviour to be systematically agressive towards the 'capitulationists monkeys' and others foreign members?

sorry I stopped to read when I saw 'Paris' and 'Macron'

à bas l'Amérique

for sure a citizen of the United States is writing given the choice of the word…

"The French Army across Europe again to conquer Russia?"

"In this situation, we should make it clear for the Europeans: now we can really strike Brussels, London or Paris, because we can forget about Article 5

well a great idea but to spend less money and instead of mobilised 600 000 men, only one submarine or the Squadron La Fayette will be largely enough to calm Muscovy's warlike ardors definitively this time,

a little detail that the Russian TV propaganda and others seem to forget

with a such new generation of little Mussolini in the East and the West who would like to annex their neighbours we have lost our sense of humor but glad to see that here on TMP Denmark and Danes Canada and Canadians, Panama and all that are only jokes and still an object of sardonic derision in this thread, let's laugh, have fun
next, jokes on Baltic States are welcome I assume

How Long Can The Western Consensus On The Ukraine War Hold?

we have the reply and conclusion of this thread : 3 years

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP14 Feb 2025 10:21 p.m. PST

Mon cher bon ami… des paroles sages… trois ans et nous tombons dans l'abîme… pauvres braves Ukrainiens…


Armand

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP15 Feb 2025 6:26 a.m. PST

Lilian all my work, not appreciated???? Mon Dieu!! 🥲

Guys it is 4 weeks. Oh we have heard from the media and opposition in this country and yours, is basically panic, doom and gloom. Oh!! and the occasional historic anti U.S. jibes. Must of what is said here, is the same stuff I hear from those like Reid, Maddow, Ocasio Cortez, Chuck Schumer, Omar…. Etc. Etc. Same stuff I heard between 2016 and 2020. If that is what you want to believe, what can we say?

If you have this much fear, institute the draft, mobilize, put your economies on a war footing, rebuild your navies, create the great European alliance.

But honestly the anti Trump and US rants, get stale. 😉

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP15 Feb 2025 11:00 a.m. PST

As Zelensky said today:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called for the creation of an "armed forces of Europe" to guard against Russia, appearing to suggest that the United States may no longer come to the continent's aid.

Zelensky, speaking on the second day of the Munich Security Conference, said Ukraine's three-year fight against an invading Russian army has proved that a foundation exists for the creation of a European army that has long been discussed among some continental leaders.

"I really believe that time has come," he said. "The armed forces of Europe must be created.""

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP15 Feb 2025 5:17 p.m. PST

the problem is they listen to great intellectuals like this and believe they are wise.
Yes there is similar going on in the USA. Most in the media, in colleges, universities, etc.

OVI +1

like Reid, Maddow, Ocasio Cortez, Chuck Schumer, Omar…. Etc. Etc
Like many ideologues, activists, etc. they can see or bring themselves to see that they were/are wrong. It is more important to these types to not be wrong than supporting what the facts demonstrate why they are wrong, etc.

Sidebar – one Congressman, if I understood the report correctly, is trying to get Omar deported. He should add Talibi to that list. But of course it will go nowhere … But I think the gesture is at least a good move.

Also Homan the real border czar[you watching Kamala?] is trying to see if AOC is breaking the law. By giving information online to illegal aliens how to avoid LEOs, ICE, etc. Sounds like aiding and abetting to me …

And sooner or later one of the sanctuary city mayors or sanctuary state governors is going to push the envelope. And end up being arrested, "perp walked" out in cuffs, put in a cop car and transported to jail. They will be out before the ink dries on the paperwork. But maybe if enough of them get treated that way. The message will sink in … maybe … otherwise it makes a good news day. Setting them up for their next election …

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP15 Feb 2025 5:34 p.m. PST

"I really believe that time has come," he said. "The armed forces of Europe must be created.""
I think Zelensky may be correct. But will it be the end of NATO ? Or like all the members of NATO are also part of the UN.

GEN Kean Ret. said today, in the end Ukraine's military must be rebuilt to provide defense for their nation. Whose biggest threat is Russia. And after the lines are redrawn. 5 years or more from now the Russians my try it again.

Maybe these European Forces need to be invited into Ukraine to help with their defense. After this war is over. As Ukraine will probably still not be a member of NATO.


Of course, the US and Western Europe will be involved in rebuilding Ukraine. And Ukraine will pay back the US with their massive, rare earth metals resources. The Euros may want a piece of that action too.

Also … Maybe the UN should set up a DMZ between/along the Ukraine-Russian border ? The US will never have troops involved in this for obvious reasons.

The endgame is to make it very hard to impossible for the Russians to invade again. Note: Don't trust Putin or the Russians … ever …

Andy ONeill15 Feb 2025 5:35 p.m. PST

The pro trump rants are fine are they?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP15 Feb 2025 5:55 p.m. PST

Legion interesting on Omar. She now claims she was mistranslated. I watched the speech with English translations, did not look mistranslated. Now MTG has called for her censure amongst other things. Of course the persistent rumors of her marriage to her brother, a scam to get him papers, are now being confirmed by outside sources. I personally do not believe she has our interests at heart.

"Omar's comments came in a speech she gave in Somali to a crowd at a Minneapolis hotel, in which she criticized the fact that the breakaway Republic of Somaliland had negotiated a memorandum of understanding to give the landlocked nation of Ethiopia access to the sea in an area that Somalia claims.

A version of the speech with English subtitles circulated online. It brought a heap of criticism to Omar, and she posted that the translation was "not only slanted but completely off." Curiously, however, she only protested that Somalia rightfully owns the disputed area.

"No nation-state can survive if its states start to get involved in land lease negotiations with other countries without the consent of the federal government," Omar wrote.

That in no way, however, answered her critics, who didn't appear to give a hoot about a territorial dispute in a part of the world most people have to look up on a map, as I did. No. What rankled were other parts of the speech, such as her telling the crowd that the U.S. government will do what Somalis tell it to do.

"While I am in Congress, no one will take Somalia's sea," read a translation that she retweeted.

I do not speak Somali, but I found an online AI translation service. It rendered that passage as, "During my time in Congress, Somalia is not sharing its waters and seas with other nations."

The version I had translated, as well as others, makes amply clear that Omar gave an irredentist, patriotic speech that, at times, clearly strayed into ethnic nationalism.

But it wasn't about America, the land that took her in, bestowed citizenship on her, and allowed her to achieve the American dream. Omar, one of the most woke members of Congress, would cringe at a speech like this if it were about America.

Indeed, all of the speech was blood and soil, only about Somalia, extolling the blood kinship of its people. In one of the online versions, she appears to bemoan that a substantial percentage of Somalia's residents are not ethnic Somalis.

"We are people of brotherhood, people of blood, people who know themselves to be Somalis, to be Muslims … We are a gifted set of individuals with a patriotic spirit that acknowledges our homeland and strives to protect it," Omar said, according to my AI translator.


"We understand that Somalia's unity and identity are tied to its people, but our homeland is under threat, and we are scrambling to claim territories we no longer possess," she added. "Somalia belongs to Somalis—it is unified, and we are all brothers."

Which brings us to America. No member of either house of Congress is more supportive of keeping the border wide open than Omar is. Last year, she said, "No person seeking asylum is crossing the border ‘illegally.'"

An estimated 10 million people have surged the border in Biden's three years in office, and unless we radically change ways, those who are not deported by a future president will not be taught the values of unity, identity, brotherhood, patriotism, and homeland—all things Omar extols in Somalia but detests here.

Worse still, Omar, who has the chutzpah to accuse Americans who support Israel's right to exist of "divided loyalty," seems to have forgotten her job is to look after American interests. While Israel is a cornerstone of America's Middle East policy, the government of Somalia, whose president Omar refers to as "my president," is led by supporters of terrorism. It could easily be in America's interests to see Somalia share its waters one day.

She's also forgotten the Naturalization Oath of Allegiance she took in 2000, which starts, "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen.""

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