"Monument Honoring Black ACW Unit Rededicated" Topic

Again, thanks.

Good to see Blutarski is at least trying to play catch up, although not doing a very good job of it. And perhaps that explains why his own links were so off target.

There was no effort by me to "invent some sort of plausible denial" of anything. It's about OVI making a claim about "Boston news" sources, but never really demonstrating that his claim was accurate. Not that such hasn't been posted previously on this thread. However, suppose catching up in your case doesn't mean reading fully through even something like the articles from the links he provided that failed to back up his claim.

Also, it didn't go unnoticed that his other posts to the Washington Examiner, the Beacon Hill Times, and mention of a quote from the Boston Globe that he got from Breibart, none of those were mentioned by yourself. And so seven sources with nothing to back up his claim about "Boston news", and with one of those provided already from the link to the article of the Washington Examiner, and another from a poster who provided it already earlier on the thread as well.

So yes, we know he is using sources from Boston, as well as others, one way or another, and once again, he still hasn't come up with anything to back up his claim regarding "Boston news".

Oh, and your efforts weren't really that good with this either: the Huff Post link that you've now referenced as the only person arrested being Rosemine Occean, well that was a link and an incident from 2012, which was also pointed out previously too, eeek! However, unless she some how time traveled back to 2012 to deface the statue then, instead of 2020, and the police tracked her down back then, when she was arrested by the police for something that happened at that time, then she sure wasn't arrested back then for the defacement in 2020. Then again, I'm not sure why the arrest from back then was mentioned in the first place, by yourself or OVI, yet either way, it does nothing to back up his claim.

Additionally, no one implied nor argued that anything was a matter of sheer coincidence. That's something that seems to have been dreamed up by yourself, and cast out on to a thread originally linking an informative article on the restoration of the monument to the 54th Massachusetts regiment. Meanwhile, folks like yourself have put up links to topics like the Berkeley Free Speech Movement of 1964, and the Disinformation Governance Board of 2022. Then again, maybe something was being implied or plausibly denied or whatever, but who really knows if it was just dropped out there in a drive by with no explanation.

What BLM is known for is corrupt leaders ripping off millions of dollars.

Again I have expressed my beliefs. If anyone wants to believe anyone other than the organizers of the protests and riots that took place in Boston, on the same day as the 54th monument was vandalized, and with the specific graffiti that was spray painted on it (pictures were included in one or two of the links), please feel free. If you want to believe the "Proud Boys" did it, or even 👽, feel free. It is still, at least for the moment, a free country.

My original complaint, was that the originating link in this post did not mention why the 54th monument required refurbishment, and it still stands. The reason should have been included. Why even have an article on a statue being refurbished unless there was an unusual reason for it to have to be done? Statues are repaired all the time and they don't make the news.

AuPas and GP, it has been suggested to me that I stop giving consideration to any of your comments or questions, as doing that only gives you both validation and some sort of relevance and assumes your comments have anything of value or Significance.

I have come to agree with that suggestion.

To quote you GP, most of them are pretty much, "crud".

What BLM is known for is corrupt leaders ripping off millions of dollars.

I like how they bought a mansion in Malibu which is almost all white.

AuPas and GP, it has been suggested to me that I stop giving consideration to any of your comments or questions, as doing that only gives you both validation and some sort of relevance and assumes your comments have anything of value or Significance.

You're being coached? I cant speak for Games Poet but I'm fairly sure my comments here dont count for much.

Incidentally, did those coaching voices mention why BLM didn't get either arrested or prosecuted for vandalism or do they begin to fade at that point?

I have come to agree with that suggestion.

I'm sorry were we making you answer us? Aside from the fact that it is a forum and instead of simply broadcasting a half baked theory people usually want some back and forth. But it's up to you, just remember you wont have Napoleon to kick around any more…

To quote you GP, most of them are pretty much, "crud".

Wait, only "most" of them are crud?

That means that "some" of them aren't crud?

That at least is progress, no?

Maybe. Unfortunately, OVI isn't following the advice, even though he says he agrees. And if only OVI had kept it at his original complaint, then not posted the other crud, and Blutarski didn't chime in with his drive bys, imagine how friendly this thread might have been. I see that OVI is back at posting crud again, yet I don't expect it'll end, even if not more crud, same thread, different moment.

@Blutarski

Now I see what 35thOVI meant about Napoleon being out generaled by British/Prusians.

Basically, his post was a sort of fiendish trap for unsuspecting Marxists who, for virtue signaling reasons, would take the bait about BLM being accused of the vandalism in articles where they aren't really, only for him to then demonstrate BLM to be again not accused in articles that hadn't yet been posted, and, then for you to finally come in and show how the articles that don't accuse BLM of the vandalism, and still don't, were really there all the time, but really weren't.

Brilliant!

So, by purposefully making wild conclusions based on non existent evidence, instead of the late stage dementia he lead us to believe was transpiring, it was really a very, clever chausse-trappe, as the French say. Like Hannibal beating the Yankees at the Kasserine Pass.

If there was ever a better example of the Triple Lindy, I cant think of one.

No evidence. No witnesses coming forward, no materials at the scene, no video. BLM is circumstantial, Proud Boys are not known to be there. It's a property crime, hard to solve. It's too bad nobody was caught in the act. And this means…

35th has every right to his opinion, as do the rest of you. There is no winning or losing. Making it personal makes no sense. You can argue a point without characterizing people who make them as having all kinds of defects.

Do you ever wonder if we will ever get out of the crazy mess we are in? There are ways. In My Opinion, this type of conversation is not one of them.

Thanks Tort. Appreciated. As I said, I have finished with this, but wanted to say thanks.

Do you ever wonder if we will ever get out of the crazy mess we are in?

If you're speaking about right wing populism, then it's a tall order but this sort of cycle happens in American history every 75-80 years or so and it tends to end up crushing the populists.

There are ways.

Pushing back against misinformation, conspiracy theories and "opinions" presented as facts is a start.

In My Opinion, this type of conversation is not one of them.

If someone is going to show me a picture of a cat and use it to prove it's a dog and when I point out that it isnt a dog, they then double and triple down insisting that:

1. It's a dog
2. That I'm a "Kommie"
3. That I'm attacking them because I wont go along with their error
4. That they've outsmarted me
5. That they're going to withdraw from the argument because I wont swallow what they want to broadcast

Then they'll know there's at least one person that's not willing to go along with a lynch mob mentality that one's feelings are good enough to convict someone or something they disapprove of.

There is no winning or losing.

You're both right and wrong. A populist will never change his "mind" on principal but readers will realize that reason and fairness are still near and dear to conservatives, as opposed to populists.

I agree, although that isn't surprising … lol.

It's one thing to have an opinion, he did in his first two posts of the thread, and I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Then he degenerated into making a claim he couldn't back up, and then if you read the rest of his crud spread out over the course of this thread, and it isn't the first time he's done this, it is appropriate to stand up to that kind of crud.

It doesn't make much sense, if any, for anyone to condone the behavior he's exhibited here. When some one acts like he has, in this thread and on other threads, folks are currently not under an obligation to put up with it.

He has the right to his opinion, and the right to be incorrect. That's ok. However at the moment, tolerating the crud that comes along with it, that's a different thing.

@GamesPoet

Trying to move past the slipshod claim being made, and trying to give his argument the benefit of the doubt, When I asked several times why the Boston authorities haven't arrested any BLM protesters for vandalizing the monument, it was ignored.

For example, here we have 5 Proud Boys indicted for Seditious Conspiracy. Apparently, DOJ felt that they had enough evidence to identify and charge.

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Of course, a group trying to overthrow the government isnt nearly as dangerous an attempt to erase our history as some graffiti on a monument but it does make you wonder just what the Boston police are about if they cant round up the culprits?

Perhaps the real story is why the Boston authorities have dropped the ball in pursuing all the guilty parties?

Don't have an answer here, and at the moment can only wonder.