"russian cavalry and flaggy flags" Topic

Sorry to ask about russian flags and what not again – but did Russian hussars carry any flags/guidons or equivalent with them?
i understand that French hussars were not carrying flags in 1812 but what of the Russians?

The Russian light cavalry, including the hussars, did not have banners. But there was one exception, the Pavlograd Hussars, for their distinction in the battle of Shengraben, received banners of the 1803 model with an honorary inscription about their feat.There was 1 white banner and 9 green ones.

The banners were received in 1806.

(All dates Old Style)

Pavlograd Hussars
The standards described above were granted 13.VI.1806 and presented 15.IX.1807.

Akhtiar Hussars
3 green color standards with white ovals and gold embroidery of modified Model 1803 Saint-George pattern granted 3.V.1814 and presented in mid-1814, inscribed :
"Въ воздаянiе отличныхъ подвиговъ, оказанныхъ въ благополучно-оконченную кампанiю 1814 года."
["In recognition of distinguished deeds performed in the victorious 1814 campaign"]

Sumy Hussars
3 green color standards with white ovals and gold embroidery of modified Model 1803 Saint-George pattern granted 30.VIII.1814 and presented in mid-1815, inscribed :
"Въ воздаянiе отличныхъ подвиговъ, оказанныхъ въ благополучно-оконченную кампанiю 1814 года."
["In recognition of distinguished deeds performed in the victorious 1814 campaign"]

Izyum Hussars
3 green color standards with white ovals and gold embroidery of modified Model 1803 Saint-George pattern granted 21.IX.1814 and presented 22.VI.1817, inscribed :
"За отличiе при пораженiи и изгнанiи непрiятеля изъ пределовъ Россiи 1812 года."
["For distinction in the defeat and expulsion of the enemy from Russian territory in 1812"]

Life-Guard Hussars
3 yellow color standards with red corners and gold embroidery of modified Model 1803 Saint-George pattern granted 3.II.1814 and presented in mid-1817, inscribed :
"За отличiе при пораженiи и изгнанiи непрiятеля изъ пределовъ Россiи 1812 года."
["For distinction in the defeat and expulsion of the enemy from Russian territory in 1812"]

Also the hussars had pennons on their lances

great thansk for this info – very helpful, so nothing for the Grodno hussars then – apart from the lance pennons for those armed with lances

as for the regiments with the above mentioned flags, i see those only came into existence after 1812, which is good to know

for Russian Hussars 1812-1815
--- lances Model 1806 as per uhlans, but shafts painted black
--- leather straps and buckets made up by the regiments – typically black
--- lance total length, with spear-point : 285 cm = 112 English inches
--- by regulation, without pennants
--- lances were withdrawn in 1817
--- however several examples of pennants are documented from life, mostly in 1814 ….

--- Pavlograd Hussars : turquoise over white (possibly turquoise in the 1st battalion, turquoise over white in the 2nd battalion)
--- Izyum Hussars – red over dark blue (possibly thus in one battalion, with dark blue over red in the other)
--- Grodno Hussars – dark blue over white (possibly dark blue in the 1st battalion, dark blue over white in the 2nd battalion)
--- Aleksandriya Hussars – likely black over white (possibly black in the 1st battalion, black over white in the 2nd battalion)
--- Akhtiar Hussars – used imitation Polish pennants (such as raspberry over white) in 1812, later yellow over dark blue, with countercharged narrow stripes at the middle

Comment :
--- Other Hussar regiments may or may not have adopted pennants.
--- The Uhlans differentiated their pennants by battalion (batallion = 1/2 regiment in a 10-squadron light cavalry regiment, in use in 1812). It is unknown if the Hussars did the same. Based on the typical usage among the Uhlans, I have above *guessed* possible battalion distinctions for the Hussars.

great information, excellent, thanks a lot.

Agreed. Great information.

Cuprum2, is that "Rittmeister Nikolai Rostov" in the lower left of your poster? Was he a real person or just the character from "War and Peace"? IIRC in the novel he was unhorsed and wounded at Schoengrabern where the Pavolgrads distinguished themselves in banner-worthy manner.

"Nikolai Ilyich Rostov" is fictional. Not only that, but the name "Rostov" is rare, likely not noble and does not appear, to my knowledge, among officers of the Russian army.

With the civilian rank of Collegiate Secretary *, a Grigoriy Prokof'evich Rostov was the head of the Chelyabinsk Post & Telegraph Directorate in south-western Siberia in the late 1880's (*10th class non-inheritable nobiliary rank, then equal to an army Lieutenant).

Rostovskiy/Rostovskoy, Rostovtsov/Rostovtsev, Rostovshchikov/Rostovchikov, Rostovanov/Rostovanev, Rostovetskiy/Rostovetskoy, Rostovitskiy/Rostovitskoy …. but not "Rostov"

The character "Nikolai Ilyich Rostov" is often thought to be based on the author's father, Count Nikolai Ilyich Tolstoy / Графъ Толстой Николай Ильичъ

--- 26.VI.1794 born at the family estate near Tula, south of Moscow, only adult son of Count Ilya Andreyevich Tolstoy (1757-1820), a retired army Brigadier and later governor of Kazan region, and Pelagiya Nikolayevna née Princess Gorchakova (1762-1838)
--- ~IX.1800 listed as a civilian adminstrator with the rank of Provincial Registrar
--- ~IX.1810 promoted to the civilain rank of Collegiate Registrar
--- ~IX.1811 promoted to the civilain rank of Provincial Secretary
--- VII.1812 passed Kornet in the newly-formed 3rd Ukrainian Cossack regiment
--- 18.VIII.1812 passed Kornet in the newly-formed Graf Saltykov's Volunteer Hussar regiment of the Moscow militia
--- 17.XII.1812 passed with his regiment to the newly-formed Irkutsk Hussar regiment
--- ~II.1813 passed to service with the Army staff
--- 27.IV.1813 promoted Lieutenant for distinction at Lützen
--- 13.VIII.1813 awarded the Military Order of Saint Vladimir 4th Class for distinction at Dresden
--- 4.X.1813 promoted Cavalry Staff-Captain for distinction at Leipsig
--- 17.X.1813 captured by the French while carrying despatches to Saint-Petersburg
--- ~VI.1814 repatriated
--- 14.VIII.1814 promoted Guards Cavalry Staff-Captain in the Chevalier Guards, assigned as an adjutant to Lieutenant General Prince Andrey Ivanovich Gorchakov (his mother's 2nd cousin)
--- XII.1817 passed Major in the Prince of Orange's (ex- Belarus) Hussar regiment
--- 14.III.1819 retired with the rank of Lieutenant Colonel
--- 9.VII.1822 married Mariya Nikolayevna née Princess Volkonskaya (1790-1830), daughter of General-of-Infantry Prince Nikolai Sergeyevich Volkonskiy (1753-1821) and Yekaterina Dmitriyevna née Princess Trubetskaya (1740-1792) : children Nicholas (1823-1860), Sergey (1826-1904), Dmitry (1827-1856), Lev (1828-1910) and Maria (1830-1912)
--- 21.VI.1837 died from a stroke at Tula, 5 days before his 43rd birthday

1814-1817

1818-1819

again top notch information, thanks for sharing and explaining.

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