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Cuprum2 Supporting Member of TMP18 May 2022 5:33 a.m. PST

Destruction of American-made M777 howitzers used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine:

In the area of ​​​​the settlement of Podgornoye, Russian crews of unmanned aerial vehicles and artillery reconnaissance equipment have established the coordinates of the firing position of 155-mm M777 howitzers made by the United States, which use the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Operators of unmanned aerial vehicles launched a missile attack on the firing position of a battery of American howitzers, as a result of which several guns were damaged.

After striking with drones, Ukrainian soldiers attempted to hide in the forest and hide the towed howitzers there.

As soon as the Ukrainian servicemen concentrated tractors and guns in the forest, an artillery strike was launched there.

soledad18 May 2022 5:49 a.m. PST

According to the movie the missile missed… the artillery strike did not exactly strike the target.

Im not impressed. But nomtheless such is war. Noone expects Ukraine to win without casaulties.

Personal logo aegiscg47 Supporting Member of TMP18 May 2022 6:16 a.m. PST

Did any of them get hit? Doesn't look like in the film segment.

Legion 418 May 2022 7:06 a.m. PST

In combat some losses may/will/could occur … The Ukrainian forces have taken some losses. But have inflicted far more on the Russians. As well as retaken some terrain.

Arjuna18 May 2022 7:29 a.m. PST


Memo to logistics:
Send more.

abelp0118 May 2022 9:31 a.m. PST

+1 Arjuna

McKinstry Fezian18 May 2022 12:38 p.m. PST

Russian GDP was $1.43 USD trillion in 2021 with a defense budget of $66 USD Billion. Given the Ukrainian debacle it is estimated Russia will spend about $92 USD billion on defense in 2022.

Conservative estimates are that the Russian GDP will shrink by no less than 10% leaving it with a GDP under $1.3 USD trillion which if Russia were a US state, its' total GDP would rank it fifth, behind Florida, Texas, New York and California which alone is nearly twice the Russian GDP.

Of the nations whose GDP ranks ahead of Russia, only China, India and Brasil are neutral and all, even China, have been reluctant to break sanctions while all others are actively supporting sanctions and most are contributing actively to Ukraine in terms of weapons and economic aid.

Since the Russian invasion, Ukraine has been pledged, received or is in process of receiving almost $60 USD billion in weapons so far. A fully mobilized Ukraine can likely still field 1,000,000 added soldiers.

Russia is essentially a slightly dim schoolyard bully that has picked a fight with a smaller kid who is both smarter and more nimble and backed by the vast majority of upper classmen.

Replacing a few howitzers if that is needed, isn't a big deal.

emckinney18 May 2022 7:38 p.m. PST

Much better optics on the first drone than I've seen before.

Drones are a big threat to everyone; towed howitzers were far, far for my first choice.

Cuprum2 Supporting Member of TMP18 May 2022 8:19 p.m. PST

The targets are not armored, so a fragmentation defeat is more important and effective than a direct hit.

You forgot to calculate how many soldiers Russia will have if it mobilizes in the same way))) The arsenals left over from the USSR are more than enough to wage this war. Well, the prices of Russian weapons cannot be compared with the prices of Western weapons.
The fall in GDP in Russia is a problem. But we are ready to suffer (we are accustomed to) in order for the Russian industry to be revived again. We have a new industrialization ahead of us))) In case of victory, of course.
And what will be the price the West will pay? What will happen to the European economy without cheap Russian gas and gasoline? What will be the cost of their products? What are the losses incurred by the enterprises that left Russia and the loss of the Russian market by them? Their places are already occupied by Turkish and Chinese companies. The war will end, and the Russian market will already be busy. Which of the non-Western countries risk keeping their reserves in dollars and other Western currencies, knowing that this money could be robbed at any moment simply at the will of the Western countries?
Russia may lose this war, but the picture of the world is already changing dramatically and without return. Not in the best direction for the West, especially – for Europe.

Bunkermeister Supporting Member of TMP18 May 2022 8:32 p.m. PST

Someone told me the US M1777 were not making it to Ukraine and their shipment was all fake. Thanks for dispelling that rumor. It also did not look like a direct hit to me, but of course even a tiny fragment could kill a man or destroy a weapon. The artillery into the forest did not look exactly like a precision strike either, but it only takes one hit to do a lot of damage.
The US has sent 90 and other nations sent a few more, so plenty more left.
The idea is to send towed guns now because they are simple to operate and can use any large prime mover. In the meantime the US, UK, Italy and others are preparing self-propelled 155 howitzers and those take longer to prepare for shipment and longer to train the crews. So this is just a quick stop-gap measure.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
Bunker Talk blog

Heedless Horseman18 May 2022 9:30 p.m. PST

Like your posts.. keep it going! Even if you get ****. You might be wrong… but 'VIEW' is worth knowing. Geopolitcs… Russsia is Bleeped text*d!

Towed arty a is always at risk. Mobile better.

raylev318 May 2022 9:56 p.m. PST

Again, Cuprum drops a big Russian propaganda pile of Bleeped text on this site. In war, it's possible, but NO credible news source has reported this -- just Russian propaganda. And, unlike Russian news propaganda, western news would be happy to report it.

Bottom line: The Russian War of Territorial Conquest continues.

McKinstry Fezian18 May 2022 10:19 p.m. PST

Not in the best direction for the West, especially for Europe.

The often stated goal of preventing NATO expansion is a spectacular failure. The EU and NATO which were somewhat adrift without a clear purpose have been significantly energized in the face of aggression and are more united than at any time since the end of the Cold War whereas with the addition of Sweden and Finland to NATO (and Georgia, the Ukraine and Moldava clamoring to get in as well), Russia has never been more isolated.

The arsenals left over from the USSR are more than enough to wage this war.

That seems dubious in that the first string weapons and the the alleged 'professional' soldiery have failed to achieve anything beyond stalemate. 40 year old Cold War weaponry versus increasingly modern western inventories and poorly motivated conscripts versus highly motivated troops defending their homes would seem to bode ill for the attacker. Quantity does have a quality all its' own but when you have to hide casualties, the trends seem poor.

What will happen to the European economy without cheap Russian gas and gasoline?

Positive GDP growth (+2-3%) if at a lower rate than pre-aggression estimates and a huge leap in alternate energy sources to the point that the EU stated goal of zero Russian oil and gas imports by 2030 seems possible and even if it falls short, Russia will have lost permanent market share. Russia is more dependent on oil and gas exports (and to a lesser extent other raw materials) than they were in 1991 which is a colossal failure on the part of Putin and the kleptocracy. If Russia could not industrialize post-1991 with no sanctions, the odds of doing so now would seem low.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP18 May 2022 10:29 p.m. PST

Cuprum finally has something to celebrate that actually happened.

Hey Cuprum, how come your Soviets haven't won the war yet?

Bandolier18 May 2022 10:48 p.m. PST

If any guns were destroyed we would have seen it in the video. Both sides heavily edit and clip their videos so we only see what can tell a story.

Fingerspitzengefuhl19 May 2022 3:44 a.m. PST

The arsenals left over from the USSR are more than enough to wage this war.

There are huge amounts Of weapons from the 60's and ammunition. However they have not been stored correctly, maintained or guarded. Leaving anything in the open for 30 years is not conducive to starting first time!!

The difference in current technology is huge 20-30 years, increasing this to 50 years by deploying T-62s is not going to help! Yes it will cost the west $80 USDK to kill each one… but that's not big money. Remember these companies employ people who pay tax, the companies pay tax…..

The key area of ISTAR is is equally poor. Using Cannon cameras as your main sensor speaks

Russia has been on the wrong side of history for the last 100 years.
It's the 18-25 year old boys who pay the price.

Legion 419 May 2022 7:51 a.m. PST

Russia has been on the wrong side of history for the last 100 years.
It's the 18-25 year old boys who pay the price.
Totally agree and this continues as we speak …

Cuprum2 Supporting Member of TMP19 May 2022 8:14 a.m. PST

When did the US stop buying Russian engines for its space rockets? ;-)

shadoe0119 May 2022 2:38 p.m. PST

Apparently the video is part fake according to this site – Ukrainian youtuber Denys Davydov:

YouTube link

I did check the coordinates (51.476388248408206, 31.188911732589364) which is located in NE Ukraine. This isn't so apparent in the video linked by the OP due to the low resolution of the artillery strike but Davydov did post a video yesterday of what was the original Russian video which does have a higher resolution imagery of the artillery strike. That higher resolution imagery was deleted because the location was recognized as the one above in NE Ukraine. Here is Davydov's video from the previous day when he thought it legitimately showed the M777 systems being destroyed by artillery.

YouTube link

Decide for yourself what's true, but certainly the information war of this conflict is something that will be studied for a long time.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP19 May 2022 4:25 p.m. PST

"Russia has been on the wrong side of history for the last 100 years.
It's the 18-25 year old boys who pay the price"

And unfortunately as to this war, average Russians will believe it was all the fault of Nato.

Legion 419 May 2022 4:33 p.m. PST

Of course, all the Russian propaganda says NATO is moving too far East. But all those former WP and others, i.e. Sweden & Finland[they were visiting the US POTUS today]. They all joined NATO as they didn't want to be under Russia's boot, in many cases … again.

US/NATO or Russia … pretty easy choice …

Cuprum2 Supporting Member of TMP19 May 2022 8:02 p.m. PST

Does Russia have the strength to capture these countries? You yourself are not funny?

raylev320 May 2022 10:47 p.m. PST

Russia has carried out an invasion of territorial CONQUEST. No wonder Sweden and Finland want to join NATO. Russia's neighbors do NOT trust Russia.

If Putin was worried about NATO, then he has strategically failed. Other countries want NATO.

Legion 421 May 2022 8:05 a.m. PST

raylev 3 +1

Does Russia have the strength to capture these countries? You yourself are not funny?

NO Russia does not have the strength to capture those countries, let alone Ukraine. As we see … But the US/NATO wants to weaken Russia so they can't do anything like what just did to a neighboring sovereign nation. If for no other reasons the massive loss of life and war crimes being committed.

Plus, No I don't think I'm funny … I'm not a comedian, AFAIK … 😆🤪🥴

soledad21 May 2022 8:22 a.m. PST

Russian troops does not have the capability to defeat anything. Russian troops against Poland (NATO or not) would be a turkey shoot. They would not stand a chance against the Finns or Sweden. It would not be even be pretty, It would be a massacre of the Russians.

But it would be a mess just like in Ukraine with massive loss of life, massive destruction of everything and an abundance of war crimes.

To avoid this in the future the west needs to kill as many Russians as possible to screw the demography. Also to destroy as much military hardware as possible which russia will never be able to replace.

This way Russia will be "defanged" except for nukes. They will be a blinded pit bull dog with three legs and no teeth, a nuisance but nothing else.

Legion 421 May 2022 6:04 p.m. PST

Sounds like a workable solution. Some forget in a conflict you kill as many of the enemy as often as possible.

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