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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2022 10:42 p.m. PST

"Troops holed up in the last Ukrainian stronghold in the besieged port of Mariupol have begun evacuating, appearing to cede control of the once prosperous city to Russia after months of bombardment.

Ukraine's military command said in the early hours on Tuesday that the mission to defend the Azovstal steel plant by "the heroes of our time" was over and it pledged to rescue servicemen still trapped inside.

"The 'Mariupol' garrison has fulfilled its combat mission," the general staff of Ukraine's armed forces said in a statement…."

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Bandolier16 May 2022 10:52 p.m. PST

A miracle that they lasted so long. I expect their story will be made famous.

If true, this is a chance for the Russians to show some humanity to the survivors. Considering they caused 20,000 civilian deaths in Mariupol, double what the Nazi's inflicted. Viciously ironic considering they are claiming to cleanse Ukraine of the same group.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian17 May 2022 2:36 a.m. PST

Seems to not exactly be a surrender.

Seems the Ukrainian soldiers will be exchanged.

witteridderludo17 May 2022 3:22 a.m. PST

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts…
or Russians making promises…

Bandolier17 May 2022 3:35 a.m. PST

From Ukrainian Telegram post:
"Deputy minister of Defense of Ukraine confirmed evacuation of wounded defenders of Azovstal to Novoazovsk(53) and Olenivka(211) for later prisoners exchange"
t.me/dumskaya_net/36973

Cuprum2 Supporting Member of TMP17 May 2022 4:07 a.m. PST

It is strange to call a banal surrender "evacuation"))) It's like saying that the army of Paulus in Stalingrad "evacuated")))
The Nazis had finished their boots and belts. Now they are waiting for either starvation or captivity.
The exchange will be made only for those servicemen who do not belong to the Nazi units "Azov" and did not commit war crimes. The exchange will be problematic in any case – about 500 Russian servicemen are in captivity in Ukraine, about 4,000 Ukrainian soldiers are in Russian captivity, not counting the 2,500 who were at the Azovstal plant at the time of the surrender. Nazis of them – 804 people. Among those surrendering, 404 were wounded, 55 of them in serious condition. They were the first to be taken out and are already in the military hospital. So far, more than 500 people have surrendered.

youtu.be/fqjPnnYFWF0

youtu.be/CcXJnqtCrC0

And this is today's video from the residents of Mariupol:

youtu.be/Vv-nA4BHBTk

Gwydion17 May 2022 5:41 a.m. PST

'Evacuation' all part of the spin for the media.

I wonder why the Ukrainian government didn't spin General Yuri Galushkin's sacking more positively? Hard to 'retire' someone with a positive spin who's just lost a major port and the vaunted Azov unit.

As for the 'exchange' the Ukrainian Govt says a lot of things that have no relation to reality.

Cuprum2 Supporting Member of TMP17 May 2022 5:48 a.m. PST

An article from a Russian war correspondent about how the first Azov soldiers surrendered.
Carefully! Orc propaganda ;-)
Not intended for Westerners, therefore only in automatic translation;-)
With photo and video proof:

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jsmcc9117 May 2022 6:42 a.m. PST

Nice propaganda. Don't believe anything that comes out of Russia. The soldiers did what they were asked which is hold out long enough for Ukrainian counterattacks to take place. The Russians wasted time and resources by blowing Mariupol to a wasteland. Gwydion, you sound like you are all for the Russian invasion.

SBminisguy17 May 2022 7:01 a.m. PST

A mighty victory for glorious Russia, that their vaunted military machine could defeat a force of x600 unsupplied, cut-off and surrounded light infantry in just two months!

I have read it only took 14,000 troops and around the clock artillery bombardments and airstrikes to win the day. They got those 600 guys to surrender, yes indeed, and it only cost Russia 20,000 Ukrainian civilians and a port city reduced to ash in the process. Glorious rubble for Russia!

Seriously, Ukraine is to Russia's ambitions what Greece was to Italy's ambitions in 1940. Mussolini expected to waltz into Greece and "re-add" it to the Nova Roma empire -- instead he broke his army on Greek defenses, and it never really recovered from that campaign. Russia's army is breaking on Ukraine, it will never recover.

Gwydion17 May 2022 7:14 a.m. PST

jsmcc91 said

Gwydion, you sound like you are all for the Russian invasion.

What a strange comment.
I wasn't commenting on the rights or wrongs of the war, simply the bizarre reporting standards.

williamb17 May 2022 7:33 a.m. PST

@ SBminisguy
Minor point the defenders started with over 1000 troops. Still holding their position for as long as they did was very impressive.

jedburgh17 May 2022 7:36 a.m. PST

What has suprised me is the Russian underlying hatred for the West.

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I know these pundits are armchair generals.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP17 May 2022 8:15 a.m. PST

This is great news for Ukraine. Hope these guys can sit out the rest of the war.

witteridderludo17 May 2022 8:20 a.m. PST

Russia says Britain should be nuked ‘back to the stone age'

So, down to their level?

Pendekar17 May 2022 8:31 a.m. PST

I guess now we will see the NATO generals surrendering and the French Foreign Legionnaires… Who else was down there?

And they can find the Famed PIT 404 underneath Azovstal.

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jsmcc9117 May 2022 8:40 a.m. PST

Gwydion,

Understood sir. Was interpreted that way. My apologies

Gwydion17 May 2022 8:49 a.m. PST

jsmcc91
Thanks. That's okay, I probably phrased it awkwardly.

Cuprum2 Supporting Member of TMP17 May 2022 9:09 a.m. PST

SBminisguy
Funny))) of x600 unsupplied, cut-off and surrounded by light infantry in just two months?
"The Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine added that the command knows the exact number of Ukrainian soldiers who remain on the territory of the Azovstal plant, but refused to disclose it for security reasons.
Anna Malyar clarified that Mariupol was defended by the Azov Regiment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, units of border guards, the SBU, the National Police, the National Guard, the 36th Marine Brigade and the territorial defense. Foreign citizens also fought in their composition, but stressed that the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine can transmit such information only through limited communication channels or through diplomatic channels if the state sends an official request. "This is very sensitive information, and it can be dangerous for these people themselves," she explained.

The Russian General Staff specifies the numbers of these units: 36th Separate Marine Brigade, 109th Territorial Defense Brigade, 503rd Separate Marine Battalion, company of the 53rd Separate Mechanized Brigade, units of the 17th Anti-tank Brigade, Nazi volunteer formations, units police and the State Border Service, as well as foreign mercenaries.
Calculate for yourself how many people can be in the composition of these units and subdivisions. According to the estimates of the Russian side, the garrison at the beginning of the assault on the city was 14,000 people.
Only 3,500 prisoners, including today's, were taken in Mariupol – these are the official numbers.

jedburgh
This is not a Russian citizen speaking. This is a military expert and Israeli citizen Yaakov Kedmi

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witteridderludo
Yes Yes. We all remember that the Russian economy was torn to shreds even under Obama)))

Legion 417 May 2022 9:53 a.m. PST

Regardless those troops did their job and cost the Russians bodies, assets & time. Sadly Mariupol is a moon scape. And in Russian hands … at least for now …

or Russians making promises…
Nope don't trust'm … as I have said before I am biased.

nickinsomerset17 May 2022 11:34 a.m. PST

They have killed plenty of russians and held the russians up for a few months, so well done to them. There are still survivors left so looks like it is not over yet!

Tally Ho!

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP17 May 2022 11:58 a.m. PST

+1 Nick!

jsmcc9117 May 2022 12:27 p.m. PST

Hey Nick, where did you see there are still troops in the tunnels still holding out?

Legion 417 May 2022 4:49 p.m. PST

+1 Nick !

LostPict Supporting Member of TMP17 May 2022 7:11 p.m. PST

Remember Mariupol! Every war has the battle that galvanizes the people against the invader. I suspect this was that occasion. War crimes, hmm? Last time I checked that included bombing maternity hospitals.

Dragon Gunner17 May 2022 9:47 p.m. PST

"The exchange will be made only for those servicemen who do not belong to the Nazi units "Azov""

When the surrender / exchange takes place I wonder how many Azov guys the Russians will find? If I was a Ukrainian commander I would inform the Russians they succeeded in rendering every single Azov guy KIA. They all fought to the death every single one of them.

"The exchange will be problematic in any case – about 500 Russian servicemen are in captivity in Ukraine"

What is your source Cuprum? Is 500 what your government is telling you what a chronic pack of lies! Russia needs to understand the world is watching and any barbarism towards the prisoners and the Ukrainian civilian hostages Russia has deported will result in long term ramifications.

Cuprum the steel plant defenders were starved out they were not defeated in battle. They are heroes and will become legends. Russian incompetence and impotence is the legacy of Mariupol and the hordes of civilians slaughtered by Russia's insane flailing around with rockets and artillery. I expect Russia to turn the defenders into martyrs for Ukraine…

Cuprum2 Supporting Member of TMP17 May 2022 11:43 p.m. PST

dragon gunner

This is information from Irina Vereshchuk, Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine (700 prisoners of war as of 04/16/2022:

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To date, more than 300 captured Russian and Ukrainian servicemen have been exchanged (information from the Security Service of Ukraine):

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Do you think that these sources cannot be trusted? Haven't you trusted Ukrainians for a long time? ;-)


Nazi martyrs – this is symbolic: what country – such and martyrs)))

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Dragon Gunner17 May 2022 11:52 p.m. PST

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It appears Russia wants these Azov guys so bad they are willing to sacrifice Russian POWs held by Ukraine.

Dragon Gunner18 May 2022 12:01 a.m. PST

"Nazi martyrs – this is symbolic: what country – such and martyrs)))"

I was referring to all the defenders of Mariupol. I can't defend that picture. I seriously wonder though are they real Nazi or just a handful of idiot pretenders? The USA has the same problem with guys waving the confederate flag. Azov was stupid as hell for picking the Nazi to idolize! There is surely some other heroes from Ukrainian history more suitable.

Cuprum2 Supporting Member of TMP18 May 2022 2:45 a.m. PST

Russia has a much larger "exchange fund" than Ukraine. And all exchanges are conducted on the principle of 1 person for 1 person. No all-for-all exchanges until after the war.

Ukrainian Nazis are the main driving and striking force of the "revolution of dignity" in 2014. It's impossible to deny. Yes, many of their leaders "repainted", or rather "mimicked" into ordinary moderate nationalists. This is the media need. They tried to do the same with the Azov regiment, with other volunteer (very often Nazi) formations (the same Right Sector is the basis for many territorial formations). But ordinary members cannot hide their ideology from prying eyes. The Azov Regiment is just the tip of the iceberg.
I think you will soon see everything with your own eyes. Mostly Europeans. These people have already flooded your cities and they will still show themselves. Already at your home. It's my opinion. You may not agree with him – time will judge us.

Heroes of modern Ukraine? These are those who destroyed the Poles and Jews during the Second World War. Streets in Ukraine are named after them, for example, the avenue in Kyiv named after Roman Shukhevych. And Europe only languidly threatens with a finger to these "naughty brown children." Play with the Nazis, and who knows what you will play out.

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soledad18 May 2022 10:37 a.m. PST

"Play with nazis…" What utter crap. Russia INVADED Ukraine. Russia is to blame for everything.

There is a saying that ends "right or wrong my country". Cuprum you at least follow that. You defend your murderous regime. It is because of people like you that the war started. But at least you are loyal to your country.

I just hope Russia will be weakened enough not to be able to threaten another neighbor ever again.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP18 May 2022 10:56 a.m. PST
Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP18 May 2022 3:35 p.m. PST

Unfortunately… morons like the ones in that photo… there are all over the Western world… I don't think they are the majority anywhere… but they attract attention… and they aren't an excuse to starting a war either… It would be different if they were representatives of a government (as in Austria)…

Armand

Legion 418 May 2022 4:17 p.m. PST

Azov was stupid as hell for picking the Nazi to idolize!
Everybody has to get that … But right now, they are war with the Russians. After the war this can be sorted out. If need be …

I just hope Russia will be weakened enough not to be able to threaten another neighbor ever again.
Sec Def Austin pretty much said that. And I agree …

Pendekar18 May 2022 5:26 p.m. PST

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It is much more complicated than being Nazis for having heros that were Nazis. If your hero was a Nazi, but you do not know of the bad things he did it does not mean you think the horrible things he did are great.
It may have been a bad idea to choose him, but for those who learn of his history differently it would be at best naive, not evil.

. Shukhevych is presented as the man who ‘in the late 1940s headed the struggle against the two largest totalitarian regimes in the world – the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany .

Also, remember that history is written by the victorious. In this case, that would be the Russians.

jsmcc9118 May 2022 7:11 p.m. PST

Anyone know what patch the guy is wearing on the far right?

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP19 May 2022 10:23 p.m. PST

Russia Says 771 More Ukrainian Troops Surrendered Today At Mariupol's Azostal Steelworks For A Total Of 1,730 Since Monday


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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP20 May 2022 10:17 p.m. PST

Russian Ministry Of Defense Says The Last 500 Ukrainian Soldiers Have Surrendered At "Azovstal" In Mariupol

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Armand

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP02 Jun 2022 8:50 p.m. PST

Russia finds 152 Ukrainian bodies in the underground bunkers at Azovstal steelworks

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Armand

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