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Druzhina16 May 2022 5:17 a.m. PST
Swampster16 May 2022 10:20 a.m. PST

Nice frescoes.I hadn't seen those before.
I use your site a lot!

I've seen the Leignitz picture before, but I haven't looked at it very carefully and it has some interesting points.
The curved peaks of the 'Mongol' helmets look fanciful yet they are backed by others wearing pretty good Cuman style hats.
The Silesian flag is carried as a gonfanon in Germany, these had pretty much been replaced by banners in the mid-14th century I don't know how soon Poland did. This style of flag would have been pretty appropriate for the period of Liegnitz though. Good paper here PDF link with info about the transition.

The style of cross on the foot soldier's makes me suspect of Heath's identification. I don't know of any TK use of the cross moline or cercelee, plus their contingent at Liegnitz was small. I think the field of the shield was probably 'or' as well compare with the field of the Duke of Silesia's shield.
Interesting, though, that one of von Liebenstein's grandmothers(?) had a family coat which was similar. Eschenbach, perhaps. This was indeed or a cross moline sable though surely a coincidence.

I have a Duke of Silesia painted up as on the Manesse Codex. I think he still needs some companions so a couple of these shields will come in handy.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP16 May 2022 12:24 p.m. PST

OP, you always find the coolest stuff.

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