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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian12 May 2022 8:00 a.m. PST

If confirmed, it would mark the first time a Russian has been killed inside the country by Ukraine shelling since Moscow's invasion in February.

Aljazeera: link

Legion 412 May 2022 8:05 a.m. PST

I wouldn't doubt it … The Ukrainians continue to out soldier the Russians.

Grattan54 Supporting Member of TMP12 May 2022 8:55 a.m. PST

I love it. Ukraine is accused like "How dare you". this after what Russia has done to Ukraine.

Arjuna12 May 2022 9:55 a.m. PST

If it goes on like this, Ukrainian Rus liberate the Muscovites from Kreml fascism.

soledad12 May 2022 10:37 a.m. PST

Not unexpected Russian hioppocrisy. They excel at being a bully but victim at the same time. THEY can do what they want ot other countries but woe to the enemy if they do 1/1000 of the same to them!

After slaughtering thousand of Ukrainians and razing entire cities and villages to the ground, raping hundreds of women the Russians complain about a singel death in russia…

Almost amazing unless it is so expected that they will Bleeped text and moan.

Choctaw12 May 2022 11:05 a.m. PST

It will do the Russian population good to know they aren't untouchable.

Oberlindes Sol LIC Supporting Member of TMP12 May 2022 1:12 p.m. PST

Every bully is shocked and outraged when the victim hits back. "It's not fair! I wasn't expecting him to hit me!"

Legion 412 May 2022 1:21 p.m. PST

Ukraine is accused like "How dare you". this after what Russia has done to Ukraine.
The Ukraine was not at war with Russia until they crossed the border. So this cross border attack is not hypocrisy … it occurred while in active combat with the invaders.

Thresher01 Supporting Member of TMP12 May 2022 2:43 p.m. PST

I'm amazed they haven't hit Moscow yet.

Seems like they should just to press home the point that they can hit there and anywhere else in the country.

Bunkermeister Supporting Member of TMP12 May 2022 6:15 p.m. PST

If Russia attacked the capital of France, Germany, UK, or the USA would they expect Moscow to be unharmed?

I have thought for a while Ukraine should not be afraid to take the fight to the enemy.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek

Pendekar12 May 2022 7:02 p.m. PST

This article is a bit confusing.. it has a short section about an alleged attack on a civilian village with "possibly the first civilian death on Russian soil", and then spends the rest of the time talking about older events.

The targeting of a an ammunition depot on Apr 27, and targeting of a fuel depot on April 1st. Both of these were in Belogrod.

They newest is said to be the most severe attack on Russia, but it also has no tactical benefit for Ukraine. Probably quoted from TASS, though I don't think they are comparing it to the previous events in Belogrod as this article seems to…

This was the most serious of the shelling episodes, he noted. On Wednesday, Solokhi came under fire from Ukraine. According to early reports, a residential building was partially destroyed. The village is located about 11 kilometers from the border with Ukraine's Kharkov region.

Anyways.. I don't think this shelling of Solokhi is something that is to be celebrated at all. There are no details on the "shelling" on TASS (they rarely seem to provide any details.) Is it a single strike from a bomb / missile / artillery shell? Multiple strikes?

I think it is likely that the target of this was not in this area and it was a malfunctioning missile (from either side), or has some other explanation.

What is the proper meaning of shelling? It seems to be used for any sort of attack (bombs, missiles, artillery). I had previously assumed it meant artillery shells.

Shelling is the act of firing shells, which are containers full of explosives, at something. The definition of a shell is "a container, usually with a pointed end, that is filled with explosives and shot from a large gun".15 Mar 2022

This fits what I had taken it to mean, thus missiles / rockets / bombs should not be called shelling.

What are shelling in war?
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In simple terms, a shelling attack is when an enemy is constantly fires at with bombs. It is a common method of attack in war and conflicts throughout the ages. Due to the high volume of ammunition in a short amount of time, cars, homes, buildings and people can be hit and either injured or killed.

This (with it's poor grammar) implies that it is from bombs (though that term may be used more generically) and implies that there is 'constant' firing, which would mean large amount of strikes.

But as for Russia's attempt to make it look like a horrible act on the part of Ukraine, this drop of water in the bucket of Russian strikes on Ukraine would be insignificant.. (Oh wait.. those strikes on Ukraine are all precision strikes against military targets. Any damage to civilian areas from the Ukrainian Armed forces destroying their own territory.)

dapeters13 May 2022 11:47 a.m. PST

It work much better for everyone if attacks on Russia are limited to the Russian war machine, particularly in the long run.

Legion 413 May 2022 4:36 p.m. PST

Shelling is the act of firing shells, which are containers full of explosives, at something. The definition of a shell is "a container, usually with a pointed end, that is filled with explosives and shot from a large gun"
Not just HE but many FA can fire WP, Smoke, Incendiary, Chem, Bio, and in some cases Nukes. Did I miss any ?

Pendekar13 May 2022 7:57 p.m. PST

dapeters, completely agree.
I think Ukraine should destroy any military targets that they want in the territory of the Russian Federation. But there is no point in targeting Russian villages and civilian targets.

This goes even more so for targets in DPR and LPR territory. Targeting the civilian population there would be the worst idea ever, as their aim is to liberate (reliberate?) those people back into Ukraine.

Legion 4:
Would you also add Flechette to the list?

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