"Russia Has Already Lost The Ukraine War" Topic

Russia/Putin will hold what they got … and claim victory, have a little parade, etc. But they are not ready for that yet. They can say they still need to "hunt down more Nazis"…

Russian officers facing consequences for sending conscripts to Ukraine

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Armand

Russia/Putin is in it for the long game. They will stay in the Ukraine and continue to attack. As long as they have bodies & equipment. They, like the PRC/CCP, could care less about the loss of their own troops. Or anyone else … CD does not enter their minds.

Can Putin Survive?

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Armand

I hope Putin is removed for his leadership position …

The Russians keep up the fire …

For Military.com :

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Interesting to read some not so far history about Russians….

"….It would be much better not only for the history of Russia but also for the country's future if Russian leaders were willing to permit—and even encourage—a much more even-handed discussion of the Soviet Union's role in the war.

MARK KRAMER

Even as the Red Army was imposing Soviet rule on eastern Poland, Soviet troops also began moving into the three Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), which had enjoyed some two decades of independence after the First World War. In subsequent months, as Soviet military and state security forces continued to pour into the Baltic countries, they compelled the local governments to comply with Moscow's demands. Eventually, in mid-1940, Soviet occupying forces replaced the indigenous governments with puppet regimes that voted for "voluntary" incorporation into the USSR. The same pattern was evident in the formerly Romanian territories of Bessarabia and northern Bukovina, which the Soviet Union occupied and annexed in late June 1940.

The only major impediment to the expansion of Soviet rule in Eastern Europe came in Finland (Ukraine?), where the entry of Soviet troops at the end of November 1939 sparked a brief but intense war that exposed grave weaknesses in the Red Army—weaknesses that stemmed in part from Joseph Stalin's wholesale purges of the Soviet High Command in 1936–1938. Although the vastly outnumbered Finnish forces eventually had to retreat and yield sizable parts of Finnish territory, the three-and-a-half months of fierce combat in 1939–1940 inflicted devastating losses on the Red Army, including the deaths of at least 126,875 soldiers and the wounding of 264,908. Stalin prohibited any public disclosure of the full magnitude of Soviet casualties, depicting the conflict with Finland as an unblemished success for the USSR.

This history is important to bear in mind nowadays because the Soviet Union's role in the war has been obscured in myths—myths that arose initially during the Soviet period and that have multiplied in recent years under Vladimir Putin. One of the more disingenuous myths, fostered last year and earlier this year by Putin, is that Poland started the war—a bizarre claim that turns history on its head. Another myth is that the Soviet Union's role in the Second World War began on 22 June 1941, when the Wehrmacht attacked the USSR. In reality, the Soviet Union was a leading participant from the very start, colluding for nearly two years with Nazi Germany…."

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Colluding and imitated as the best school student… do you see?…

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Russia: Paper Bullets

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Russia Ukraine War: HIMARS Missiles Destroy Russian Targets – US & Allies Prepare for Long War

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HIMARS, M270s, M777s, etc. are key to defeating the Russians. Russia has reverted back to a WWI War of Attrition. They don't do maneuver warfare very well.

And yes, it may be a long war, as Putin and his GENs must save face, etc., for starting this war imperialism and medieval cruelty.

Signs that the sanctions are taking effect in Russia.

From Investment Monitor:
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Yes, it tells a different story to the often repeated "sanctions aren't working".

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Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

Well the fundamental problem is the general populace, non-specialist journalists and "columnists" included, of "Western" nations and probably everywhere else are pretty much economically illiterate and assume sanctions mean more or less instant collapse of the Russian economy. It doesn't work like that for a whole heap of reasons. Still the longer this goes on the deeper they bite. Probably their most important effect is too cut Russian industry off from specialist parts and equipment. Even Russia isn't a volume producer of military hardware anymore and trying upscale that under sanctions while simultaneously trying to develop indigenous capacity for the missing stuff is going to be painful and slooooow, which is all to Ukraine's advantage while we're handing them the tools to break Russian kit way faster than it can be replaced.

"sanctions aren't working".

They rarely do in the short run if not the long run. The bottom line in this case continue to arm the Ukrainians with what they want/need. Putin's imperialism and war crimes makes that an imperative.

RUSSIAN MILITARY HAS LOST UP TO 190 HELICOPTERS IN UKRAINE

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U.S. Lawmaker Says U.S. Intelligence Told Lawmakers In A Classified Briefing That 75,000+ Russians Have Been Killed Or Wounded

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Russia currently attacking Kyiv … first time in weeks …

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Losses seem to have marginal effect on Russia, but they continue to attack and take high losses in men & equipment, regardless …
As does the Ukraine. How can they both continue to take these losses ? Russia does have the numbers. But for how long ?

Strategy, Anyone?
Unbalance and Tie Down forces?
Losses… probably not regarded.

I am becoming dubious about the initial Russian 'Intent' towards Kyiv? Given 'disregard' for losses… and total disregard for Tactics.. may have been a 'feint'… that 'COULD' HAVE WORKED'… if it played out?
Main Intent, preventing eastward Troop deployment.
Some strategy 'could 'also have worked… eg. 'Market Garden' does have similarities.

I don't believe Russians are stupid… just Ruthless.

legion4
"Russia does have the numbers. But for how long"
hearing a order has been sent out to the 85 districts??
around russia to each provide/raise a volunteer battalion

As I said … They have the numbers … but we see how poorly their draftees/conscripts have performed. They have and are taking losses, desertions, daily.

So we will see …

Russia Has Suffered Up to 80,000 Military Casualties in Ukraine, Pentagon Says

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Russian soldier risks up to 15 years in prison for speaking out on TV about what he saw.
Could be the thin edge of the wedge to cut through the Russian propaganda.
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Special Operations: Deceptions And Shadow Warriors

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Russia: Cornered And Coerced

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if the ukrainian migs ar carring agm88 what other western missiles are they using sidewinders? or maybe jdams

There are more than this, IIRC, but here is a short list, AFAIK …

• AGM-28 Hound Dog (USA)
• AGM-65 Maverick (USA)
• AGM-69 SRAM (USA)
• AGM-84 Harpoon (A-D See SLAM) (United States)

Russian Soldiers are Up-armoring their Vehicles in Desperation

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Russian Soldiers are Up-armoring their Vehicles in Desperation

Disappointing article, just a discussion of ad-hoc armor through modern history (yawn), with 2 paragraphs about Ukraine.

Ukrainians Are Convinced That A Military Victory Over Russia Will Happen

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At this point my $ is on the Ukraine …

Reports and limited video of fighting in Kherson are appearing.
No suggestion this is a serious attempt at taking the city. But a very interesting development.

Here's what we know about the state of Russia's military

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Tango01,
Re the 'Ukrainians Certain of Victory' – excellent they are keeping their spirits up.

However – This is not a neutral poll – it was funded by USAID and carried out by the International Republican Institute.

They generated 'random' cellphone numbers to call and had a 16% response rate so 84% were either unavailable or declined to participate.

Those 16% inclined to participate obviously felt strongly that Ukraine would win. We don't know what the 84% felt.

Interesting that when asked:
"In your opinion, which of the following should be the main development aims for Ukraine over the next 10 years?"

49% understandably said 'restore the territorial integrity of the Ukraine' while

48% said 'to get rid of corruption.'

(you could choose three answers in this section so they are not mutually exclusive.)

Only 19% wanted to join NATO however.

Lies, damned lies and statistics derived from dodgy polls.

Looks like the Ukraine is continuing to "win" … and continue to regain their territory.

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RUSSIA ORDERS STALIN-STYLE ‘BLOCKING UNITS' TO FORCE ITS TROOPS FORWARD, KYIV REPORTS

Reading this… I have no doubts…

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Armand

Posts should stay on topic, please.

The topic is: Russia has already lost the war.

There is no way really can Russia do anything short of WMDs to "win". Which even Putin is not that dumb. Albeit we see he is pretty dumb when it comes to this military stuff.

Regardless, Putin et al will claim victory on any account. Probably won't be able to have victory parade in Red Square, they don't have enough vehicles or troops to do so.

"…The war isn't over in Ukraine but it is going against the Russians and, despite Vladimir Putin's insistence that Russia will never leave all Russian occupied territory, a growing number of Russian officials, including some who work closely with Putin, believe there does not appear to be any way to avoid a Ukrainian victory. Putin threatens to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine, which risks nuclear retaliation by the Americans and other NATO countries with nukes. Putin met with Chinese and Indian officials recently and was told that using nukes was a bad idea and the Ukraine War and the sanctions on Russia was interfering with economic and other relations with China and India. Putin told his two trading partners that he understood their concerns but no other details were made public. Putin risks losing his position as Russian leader. He has held that job for two decades and success in Ukraine was supposed to help him keep that job."

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10.000 Russian soldiers encircled…?

Seems they continue loosing men and land…

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10.000 Russian soldiers encircled…?

He seems to be a pro-Russian commentator. But he said 3,000, not 10,000. He also seems to be making excuses for the attack on the civilian convoy, he says they were being used as ambulances (that makes it a valid target???).

3000 are ready to be sorrounded … 10.000 are in the big screen…

Let's see…

Armand

They not only lost at land… now the Ukranian Navy seems to grow up too…

First Lady of Ukraine launches the Ada class corvette Hetman Ivan Mazepa

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They are loosing on thecnology too…

Ukrainian troops reportedly using tracking systems, deception to infiltrate Russian lines

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How Russia Lost in Ukraine

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But they still must be pushed out of the terrain they occupy, i.e. the Donbas & Crimea. Which seems to be happening currently.

In Kupiansk, in northeast Ukraine, liberation came at a steep cost

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The last article is very interesting. It really makes clear how little the russians really care about the people and lands they laughably claimed to be 'liberating'. Also clear how little they care for their own so-called 'soldiers'.
Thanks for posting.

They brutalise the locals. I saw a bloke interviewed. They had no power in the village and he was the one person had a generator. He was charging mobiles for the village. Russians decided that must mean he was a spy. They imprisoned, terrorised and beat the **** out of him.

There was more about how the Russians mistreated and terrorised the locals. It's the whole lot of em seem to do this stuff.
I have no sympathy for em.
Scum deserve everything they get.

A votre service mon ami… (smile)

I admit that I was SO deluded into believing that the Russians had become civilized in SOMETHING since WW2… but this war shows me that they haven't changed one iota… same barbarism since its inception… impossible to have any sympathy for them. ..

Armand

We can hope…

How Russian Civil War Could Start and Unfold—Putin Opponent

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Logistics: Russia Running Out of Everything

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Armand

That is good news ! But even if they had the stuff, they don't know how to use it.

Frantic Putin Flexes New War Tactic That Is Mostly Useless

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Armand