"Russia Has Already Lost The Ukraine War" Topic

But if we throw in Newsmax, then one should throw in the Late Shows and Comedy Central shows, which are non stop Trump bashing.

Yes…and then let's put these voices into the Democrat's camp as well:

MOST major print news -- NYT-WaP-Chicago Sun-LAT, magazines like New Yorker, Newsweek, Atlantic, etc
Hollywood
Most of the Music Industry
Most Universities
Most K-12 Teachers Unions and Administrators

Not just FOX

NewMax

Oni

numerous podcasters ect.

Yes, they say nice things about Fetterman when he agrees with them. CNN and MSNBC do the same things with conservatives that come out against Trump. That is not what I mean.

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I think part of the appeal of Fox is their approach as the underdogs, the real America. They are carefully scripted and designed. Red white and blue colors everywhere. News babes on couches. Infotainment. The only real Americans, America's newsroom. The real patriots.

They have been very innovative as tv over the years. They are a part of Trump's team, sometimes on the WH team. Rarely are they are ever positive about Dems, won't even name the party correctly. Helped start the Tea party. They are a hugely successful business. They keep one or two liberals around for bashing and for viewers to root against. They blame the media all the time, but exclude themselves. Always the us vs them vibe.

MSNBC tries desperately to copy them for liberals and just does not connect as much, IMO.

Tort their appeal is that they give views and news we cannot get from the rest. They break and broke the hammerlock the MSM had on the news and the views we heard.

That is why they are hated so much. The MSM can no longer control what we hear.

It was the same with Rush Limbaugh. For those with beliefs like mine, he was a voice in the wilderness. No one else articulated what we thought, like he did. He said things that infuriated the left and they reviled him. Now there are more like him on radio, but none who can match him.

Would Trump have been elected the second time without Fox, conservative radio, conservative websites and now "X"? Simple answer: no.

They are the alternative and liberals hate that. They want to control the narrative.

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I don't buy their us vs them thing. There is a big difference between PBS and MSNBC. You can't lump them altogether. If so how could America's Newsroom not be part of the MSM? Many people get their news from social media. Ask Baron Trump. But Fox is very much a business and way better at it than its competitors.

There is a big difference between PBS and MSNBC

Not in my experience. As a young kid in DC back in the 90s, PBS Frontline asked to interview my thinktank's boss on space and defense policy. I was so excited, my parents were big PBS supporters, wow, the big leagues wanna talk to us!

What a naive kid I was, it was a planned hit job. The PBS "reporter" spent an HOUR in a sit-down interview on policy and so, on and then he asked about funding.

We were a 501(c)(3), open books, all individual contributions, no corporate or lobbying money.

Did you ever get any money from any groups associated with the Reverend Sun Yung Moon?

Yes we did, but once we discovered who the were, we returned the money. We can show you the transactions if you like, we have no relationship with them.

Chuckles all around, that's OK – won't be necessary, more general questions, then a wrap up and thanks for your time.

And what made it into the PBS Frontline episode?

"Did you ever get any money from any groups associated with the Reverend Sun Yung Moon?"

"Yes we did"

They spent an HOUR with us, an entire production crew's afternoon spent to get that one edited out of context soundbite. And you know that ALL resource decisions by a news agency are approved by management, what stories to cover, what the story is gonna say, who is assigned to it, what production crew (and their equipment van!), how the edit should be done, and what the final production piece is -- all VERY deliberate and purposeful.

B@astards! Utter conniving sh1tball muverfruckers!

I saw that over and over during my DC days, PBS were untrustworthy partisan a$$holes even then.

The shame about PBS is that some of their programming is actually quite good – 'Frontline' for example – if you can get past the thinly veiled political messaging.

Not as blatant as MSNBC but thoroughly partisan.

Actually it was very much, us vs them. We felt we had no voice. No one believed in many of the things we believed in.

If one really thinks about it, we still have very few outlets of our views. Fox. Many conservative radio programs, for those that listen to them. Conservative websites. X now that Musk took over, allows all viewpoints. A few papers. That's about it.

Having those voices infuriates those on the other side.

Look at the outlets they have. Every one of the other news channels. Many liberal websites. The major networks "entertainment" programs, like late night, Comedy Central shows, even most of the regular tv series will have their conservative putdowns. Daytime show like "The View". 🤮 Most news papers.

But they are not happy with that. Anything that opposes them, must be alleviated.

NPR has always been liberal. We used to call their news: "All liberal things considered". NPR stood for "National proletariat Radio" 🙂

PBS a few decent shows, but I rarely watch it anymore. My wife sometimes watches " antiques roadshow". None should get taxpayer funds.

MSNBC tries desperately to copy them for liberals and just does not connect as much, IMO.

Yeah them and The View should be on the Comedy Channel. I never watch either of them. But FOX shows some of the idiotic, mindless, lunacy, etc. that goes on both "shows" …

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I think part of the appeal of Fox is their approach as the underdogs,

Well they are, they compete with ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and MSNBC. They don't like Conservatives, hate Trump, the GOP, and their reporting IMO is too biased. Save for on CCN I do listen to Smerconish. He is pretty good, fair and balanced.

I watch Newsmax too, again they are Conservative … But I like the stick to the just the News. Sometimes FOX has more blocks of singing, cooking, etc. But I do love FOX's Gutfeld.

And yes they are both biased … but I generally agree with them. So yes I'm biased too …

One of the clearest and most detailed situations that REALLY exist in Russia for those who go to war.

Highly recommended to see…

Why Russia Fears Its Own Soldiers More Than Ukraine

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Armand

But doesn't Cuprum tell us all we need to know ?

*Sigh* game off again…Zelensky seemingly agreed with the Trump peace plan and signed the mineral deal, so the US announce it will send Patriot batteries…then Zelensky choked on his spite and declared the Crimea is sacrosanct and can never be ceded as part of a peace deal….though it was taken by Russia 13 years ago under Obama and OBama did nothing (and remember Obama's hit mic moment where he asked Vlad for some slack to get re-elected), and it's the only Warm Water port for Russia, the home of their reduced Black Sea Fleet.

So I think those Patriot batteries should be re-tasked, and let Zelensky choke on war until he actually wants peace -- hopefully before his exhausted nation collapses and gives Putin a total victory.

Hopefully, the US will finally start giving Ukraine serious military aid until Putin's exhausted economy collapses and gives the free world a total victory.

After all, Churchill said that the US will finally do the right thing when all wrong options have been tried.

Two Russian Su-30 Flankers Downed By AIM-9s Fired From Drone Boats

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Armand

"…let Zelensky choke on war until he actually wants peace"
Said of the invaded country. Nice.

"…then Zelensky … declared the Crimea is sacrosanct"
then? hasn't he always said this.

"…let Zelensky choke on war until he actually wants peace"
Said of the invaded country. Nice.

There's wishful thinking, then there's reality -- triage. Wishful thinking is that your arm that was just crushed and shredded in a metal press machine can be extricated and fully healed. Maybe it wasn't you fault, maybe you're a accident victim. It's not fair or just, because life is not often fair or just, but the reality is, unless you accept triage and remove the arm your whole body will die.

That's the position Ukraine is in. It sucks, Ukraine is the victim, it did not ask to be invaded, but it also needs to decide if it wants to survive as a nation or not.

From what I understand, the US will continue supplying the Ukraine. And tighten up sanctions on Putin/Russia.

And to almost everyone it is very clear. The Ukraine is the victim and Putin/Russia attacked a neighboring nation for no reason other than imperialism.

Ukraine Develops TM-2025 Anti-Tank Mine with 3D-Printed Smart Fuse.

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Economic Industrial Decline For Russia

"The Ukraine war disrupted Russian manufacturing activity as production shifted to military needs. The large number of Russian men mobilized for the war caused labor shortages. Then there were over a million Russian men lost, killed, disabled, deserted or fled the country to avoid military service.

The labor shortage is made worse by the lack of high school and university graduates with technical training. Too many of those grads concentrated on the humanities rather than industrial and software engineering. As a result, firms manufacturing requiring a lot of people with technical skills cut production. The government has responded by proposing laws limiting enrollment for humanities students. Bonuses and other benefits would be offered to students studying technical subjects.

Most of these measures can be attributed to the Ukraine War. This conflict caused enormous economic damage to both countries. The Ukrainian GDP declined 30 percent in 2022 while Russia's declined about three percent. Russia was hit hard by economic sanctions in 2014 for taking Crimea and parts of eastern Ukraine, and sanctions for its 2022 invasion made it even more isolated from the global economy. Russia's only arms imports now come from equally poor North Korean artillery shells and rockets and cheap Iranian missiles. Payment is by barter. North Korea gets badly needed food and oil supplies while Iran receives modern jet fighters and other military tech. China and India help with the funding by purchasing heavily discounted Russian oil and natural gas…"

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The Putin Police State

"Russian leader Vladimir Putin is seeking to shut down protests and silence those who oppose his war in Ukraine. Russian legal reforms in the early 1990s gave Russia its first modern legal system complete with competent judges and abundant courts throughout the country. As Putin's war in Ukraine stumbled from one mishap to another disaster, the Russian leader sought a solution.

Putin came up with a long list of remedies for opponents to his war and their compelling reasons why the Ukraine operations were illegal and unjust. Putin is doing this by turning the Russian legal system into a tool for suppressing public protests and silencing notable individual dissenters. He also managed to isolate Russian judges who opposed Putin's efforts to silence opponents.

Putin has succeeded in making it nearly impossible for Russians to obtain trial by jury. Putin also has protestors and dissenters tried in courts far from their home. This prevents anyone from showing up at the trial to support the defendant…"

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Armand

Ukraine's tiny thermobaric robot tank can burn enemies with 4,532°F flames

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Armand

When will Trump do something for peace?
So far he only encourages the war to grow bigger and wants to send Western boys there to die.

Sho want news do you NOT read? It does seem like you are missing a lot of it out there.

Almost half of year is over and he did absolutely nothing for peace but only encouraged the war. Did I miss something? I don't think so.

And now he plan to spend huge amount of money to absolutely useless Golden Dome in same time when he may get the the same results and even more very cheaply and efectively, just by eliminating the threat without any effort.

Almost half of year is over and he did absolutely nothing for peace but only encouraged the war. Did I miss something? I don't think so.

This is a new line of attack on Trump for you. Until now you've attacked him for wanting a peace deal and being a cowardly coward who's a coward. Now you're attacking for not getting a peace deal in place fast enough, which then flips into Trump is a warmonger??

If you want to know why a peace deal has been taking longer, look to your European leaders and the American Democrat party who have been constantly blocking peace deal attempts and encouraging Zelensky to keep fighting a war of attrition he can never win.

Wasn't he just on the phone with Putin for 2 hours? So far he is the only one to attempt to get a peace deal or cease fire for almost 4 years.

You know what they say: Dam#ed if you do and Dam#ed if you don't.

From "The Book of They Say" Chapter 256, Verse 74.

Trump now says only Russia and Ukraine know the details of what they want, and they will have to settle it. And Putin has steered Trump toward talk of the great business opportunities with Russia recently, as Trump has said. Yes, Trump can talk for hours about business, as he will tonight at the Trump bitcoin gala.

So no real US led negotiations, Putin gets a divided NATO as he always wanted. He has won. His team of negotiator junior flunkies will never concede a thing. Biden, Obama, and now Trump. No heroes.

I (and all the World) patiently waited for Trump to do something for peace.
But the same pattern continues all the time.

Putin kill people.
Trump accuses Europeans and Zelensky and encourages Putin to continue.
Putin kill people.
Trump accuses Europeans and Zelensky and encourages Putin to continue.
Putin kill people.. etc. etc. etc…..

And now again. 2 hours on the phone with Putin and there are the only messages that, please, Putin, continue.. I will hold Europeans to do anything what may disturb you, until you are ready to kill Europeans by yourself.
And Russian propaganda already started to prepare their population for aggression against Baltic.

🤔 sorry.., yes I keep forgetting "Trump is Putin's puppet!". How could I forget that lesson drilled into me by the MSM?

Sung to the tune: "How do I know, the Bible tells me so" 🎶

Have no faith, hope and charity
That's the way Putin conquers successfully
How do I know, Rachel Maddow tells me so.

No matter, Putin's puppet or agent Krasnov, what did Trump did so far for peace? Nothing, null, zero..

At first, the Russians were indeed very scared that Trump would bring peace, but over time they realized that this would not happen and the bravado of scaring the whole world is back.

Please enlighten us as to what any other country has done to achieve peace… without US instigating it first.

I doubt the Russians ever feared the U.S. would force peace. I doubt the Ukraine did either.

To achieve even a ceasefire, both sides have to want it. I don't see that currently. I don't even think the other countries over there really want peace. I sure have not seen it on TMP.

Specifically… it's hard to defend the indefensible… several months passed, and the phrase "I stop the war in…" was not only a lie and a fiasco… it showed a complete lack of understanding of what he was saying… the other concrete fact is that Ukraine was punished in the person of its President and military aid was cut off… on the other hand, Putin just needs to send Melania as a gift (as he himself said the other day)…

Is that any way to treat a murderous autocrat and invader of his neighbors?… Is that what the World's Greatest Democracy has become?… the land of the free and the brave?

At some point, during the war (world war or not), do you hear of someone tried to talk about future business?… while people were dying?

Putin laughs at the business proposal… he doesn't give a damn about his people and his businesses aren't what they're offering him… they're from the dark web…

The only thing missing is for him to offer Putin some kind of military support…

Armand

"To achieve even a ceasefire, both sides have to want it."

Exactly. Ukraine agrees with ceasefire, Rossia not. And what Trump do? Accuses Europe and Zelensky as always and encourages Putin to continue killing.

"Please enlighten us as to what any other country has done to achieve peace… without US instigating it first."

All countries do everything they can to achieve peace. Peace is possible only when aggressor stops his aggression and will not continue. What did Trump do to achieve that? He did the exact opposite.

I don't think Trump is Putin's puppet, although Putin tries to make him look like one. The US as a whole has not stood up to Putin. He is clever and can never be trusted. He divides us.He has fooled others as he does now. I don't know what the answer is but Trump is not finding one either and seems ready to move on. I think it's over.

Tango military aid continues. The cut off was very short.

His comment about stopping the war on day one… was very stupid on his part.

But he and his staff have made overtures to achieve peace(unlike the previous 3 years). A lot of the lines you both are repeating, are the anti Trump media posts that continue to be the pablum of the MSM, here and overseas.

For 3 years countries threw equipment at both sides and launched sanctions (breaking them when it benefited them). What was achieved? A bloody WW1 stalemate…. Which continues to this day.

I've said before: If you are not happy with the U.S. and the Ukraine War and what Trump is doing, go to war yourselves. Please show us how it's done. It worked well in WW1 and WW2….. right? But don't expect us to jump in if you do.

Otherwise, sit back and understand this is going to take time. There were a lot of fires started during the Biden administration.

I will say, if Russia really doesn't want the ceasefire (and is not just being typical Russia), they have to believe they are winning.., unfortunately. Which is contrary to what I've been seeing you all post in TMP.

The US as a whole has not stood up to Putin. He is clever and can never be trusted. He divides us.

Putin does not divide us -- the DEMOCRATS divide us! Who used Russia as their excuse to attack Trump and other political foes, fabricating a non-existent Russia conspiracy? That would be the Clinton-Obama leadership of the Democrat Party. We have the receipts from the Durham report and other sources -- the entire thing was a lie.

But the Democrats created an environment where if you were not anti-Russia, you were a political enemy. For someone like me who witnessed the Democrats bend over backwards to kiss Russian @$$ during the Cold War, to turn around and become Russia Hawks out of nowhere was bizarre. They even resorted to Modern McCarthyism, accusing their political enemies of being traitors.

And THEY frucked up ALL attempts to normalize US-Russia relations and keep Russia out of China's sphere. Their constant attacks, investigations had no room for nuance -- either you expressed public hatred of Putin, or you were Putin's puppet.

The first impeachment on allegations THEY KNEW WERE BS BECAUSE THEY FABRICATED IT failed, and the Mueller report showed NOTHING…they even investigated Trump deep into his private life and found NOTHING criminal.

And then we get to Ukraine, where once again the Democrats turned foreign policy into an US vs THEM issue. Setting aside the second bs impeachment alleging a quid pro quo that didn't exist when Trump asked how the investigation into the ACTUAL quid pro quo involving the Biden family was going. And btw, Trump sent the ATGMs to Ukraine that Obama refused to send, the very ATGMs that helped Ukraine blunt the initial Russian invasion.

And the Democrats turned THAT into a political litmus test is US vs THEM. If you don't support EVERYTHING Biden is doing with Ukraine, then you are a Traitorous Putin Puppet. So they inherently politicized the war, they divided the nation into the Facebook Ukraine flag banner people with little Slava Ukraine signs on their lawns, and everyone else.

Division starts at home.

His comment about stopping the war on day one… was very stupid on his part.

Yes, he didn't realize how truly spiteful and cruel his opponents in the Democrat Party and the Left are -- they have absolutely worked hard to kill peace attempts and keep the war going just to accuse Trump of failure. At the current tempo of war their interference means almost FIFTY THOUSAND CASUALTIES that could have been prevented. Truly evil.

"I've said before: If you are not happy with the U.S. and the Ukraine War and what Trump is doing, go to war yourselves…"

No one is saying that a single man should be sent to war… what is needed is for Ukraine to collapse under the weight of the war material it requires and the technological support, plus the sanctions that can be imposed… nothing more and nothing less than that… let's say something similar to what they give to Israel…

And of course… to bring the true and only detail of who Putin is to the international arena and define his red lines… to show themselves as a united bloc against him…

I don't understand how love for Russians suddenly emerged in the USA… they are their ancestral and eternal enemies… they hate you and envy you too… if they could, they would do the same or worse to you than to Ukraine…

Armand

Tango the whole above requires a long answer and I don't have the time today.

"I don't understand how love for Russians suddenly emerged in the USA… they are their ancestral and eternal enemies… they hate you and envy you too… if they could, they would do the same or worse to you than to Ukraine…"

I don't think anyone thinks Putin is a good guy. If so, I have not heard it.

I don't think the U.S. has any ancestral enemy. The Soviet Union was Communist. That was the direct enemy of Capitalism. What country is the king of Communism today? (rhetorical question)

I personally don't hate or love the Russian people as a whole. I really only know a very few and none closely.

What do the Ukrainians really need? Manpower. This is a war of attrition.

These are the short answers.

Okay, Putin further divides us. Everything the Dems do is wrong? . It's always all their fault? There is a middle ground. The first step is no more deficit spending. We were promised a balanced budget, along with the moon.

I think on the whole the right is considerably more to blame. How did the right turn into a peacenik party after years of being hawks? How are they passing unbalanced budgets? Strong man pressure, shifting constitutional power, political blackmail with primary threats, it appears.

We cannot pay for defense by lowering taxes for those over 500,000 annual incomes and cutting food stamps, Medicaid. Taxes are what our military strength is built on. We need taxes and budget cuts. DOGE? What happened there? Who goes after the IRS while trying to balance a budget? The big kids are taking our lunch money.

Okay, Putin further divides us. Everything the Dems do is wrong? . It's always all their fault?

On foreign policy? Yes. Absolutely, and have for my whole life. Just since Obama was president we have the Middle East Meltdown, the Libya War, the collapse of Iraq and the rise of ISIS who ruled 12 Million people, the Syrian collapse, the brief civil war in Egypt, the expansion of Hezbollah in Lebanon, the empowerment of Hamas, the appeasement of Iran and their Houthi allies, the inaction against Putin's invasions of Georgia and Ukraine, the collapse of Afghanistan, and so on.

Are those successes? I think not.

Then we get to Russia -- which the Dems screwed up in the 1990s btw when we had a once in a lifetime opportunity to bring them into the West with a new Marshall Plan -- but Gore was in charge and he screwed that up. But tracking forward, both Clinton and Obama appeased Russia until they needed a boogeyman to scare people away from Trump.

So they completely invented the Trump-Russia connection. This cannot be underplayed! This created absolute havoc with US foreign policy attempts to keep Russia away from China, and the Democrats turned this issue of Russia into a political litmus test. Even Tango uses this reflexively, without critical thought when he says "I don't understand how love for Russians suddenly emerged in the USA"

It didn't. Russia is a stand-in for "MY side hates them and is GOOD, and if you don't hate them then you must be a Putin Puppet Russia Lover and are BAD."

Total batsh1te.

I could expand into the whole "Summer of Love" race riots the Democrats caused to get Biden elected…or their fixation on marginal sexual fetishes and issues raised to the level of national policy, their racial obsession and constant division along racial lines, or the Covid lockdowns they used to control the people and change election laws to help in 2020 (and which also crushed tens of thousands of small businesses, the death of entire downtown areas and commercial real-estate markets, and led to a spike in suicides caused by social isolation…like the elderly man in my neighborhood who was refused the right to see his wife in hospital and when she died could not organize a memorial service and his kids could not visit him, so he went to my local park, sat under his and his wife's favorite spot under a tree and killed himself.

That was DEMOCRAT policy.

How was the last 4 years under Biden? Was our nation stronger or weaker as a result? How about the 20 MILLION illegals that Biden helped pour into our country and THEN he changed the US Census to count Illegals so the Democrats got to keep the equivalent of 27 Congressional seats? And combined with changes to election laws in blue States these illegals casting mail-in ballots to help further Democrat power?

How about the vicious weaponization of government power against opponents? In my home town, when there was a Trump rally, Antifa turned up and physically harassed Trump supporters and the Mayor of my city ordered the Police to STAND DOWN and let Antifa mobs attack Trump supporters.

What am I supposed to think about that? Did any Democrat object to that? Did the pro-Democrat news media care?? I don't think so.

All I get under one-Party Democrat rule in California is more taxes, more costs, lower standard of living, more crime, more crumbling roads, brown-outs in the Summer, etc. When it was revealed that the State CANNOT FIND $23 USD BILLION in "homeless" spending, no heads rolled. No media fray, just a shrug and a cover up. It's a one Party State baby, with heavy gerrymandering, top-two primary (so mostly just Democrats appear on ballots, disenfranchising other parties), mail-in voting with no chain of custody and legal ballot harvesting. They are immune from accountability from their policy actions and grift.

How's that positive for society or the nation?

When was the last time the Democrats acted for the country as a whole and put country first? Maybe not since JFK, or WW2.

I think on the whole the right is considerably more to blame. How did the right turn into a peacenik party after years of being hawks?

Maybe it's the "Right's" KIDS doing the fighting and dying and endless deployments for no perceivable gain. Maybe we want defined objectives that we resource to win, that matter for national security, instead of open-ended forever wars and endless grift.

It's not my intention or interest to discuss another country's internal politics… my course is to help Ukraine from a bloody, expansionist, and Nazi neighbor…

I didn't know Democratic Presidents were so horrible… I suppose the Republicans have been very good… but I insist… that's not my point of interest…

I maintain that the US can and should help Ukraine at least as much as it does Israel…especially in its international stance against harmful regimes

Armand

"The United States has provided substantial aid to both Israel and Ukraine, but the amounts and types of aid differ significantly. Since the war in Ukraine began, the US has committed over $115 USD billion to Ukraine, while a $95 USD billion foreign aid package included $26.4 USD billion for Israel, according to NPR and Al Jazeera.
Key Differences:
Magnitude:
The US has provided a much larger total amount of aid to Ukraine than Israel, especially since the start of the war in Ukraine.
Type of Aid:
While both countries receive military aid, the US aid package for Ukraine includes funds for humanitarian assistance, budget support, and other forms of assistance.
Purpose:
US aid to Ukraine is primarily focused on supporting the country's defense against Russian aggression, while aid to Israel addresses its security needs and humanitarian assistance in Gaza.
Specific Figures:
Ukraine:
The US has allocated $115 USD billion to Ukraine since the beginning of the war, including $61.3 USD billion in an April 2024 bill.
Israel:
In a recent $95 USD billion package, $26.4 USD billion was allocated for Israel, and $4 USD billion was dedicated to replenishing Israel's missile defense systems, according to AP News and Al Jazeera. "

SB..I think Rumsfeld said "You go to war with the army you've got" led by "President" Cheney. You forgot those guys and their war. Reagan backed down the Soviets, but was a disaster in the ME, major US casualties, policy chaos.

Much of the right's rationalization of how events went against them are speculation and endlessly repeated until they are believed without evidence. Many of these ideological beliefs seem possible, but often there is no proof. We just will not agree on some basic things. Covid is a prime example. Historians will marvel at those historic WH press conferences after the early leadership denial stage finally met reality. It's both parties…and time for a third party choice to appear.

Talk to me about what brings the new Administration… not what Biden have done…

Armand

"Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov demanded that any future peace agreement in Ukraine include conditions to prevent the election and establishment of future pro-Western governments in Ukraine."

understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-23-2025

What will Trump do?

Tango. Source: ForeignAssistance.gov

Ukraine aid 2025 so far as it had been updated. I'm sure Israel is higher today. But still not up with the Ukraine.

Ukraine

$4,530,546,840 USD

Israel

−$631,264
ALL AGENCIES: −630K

U.S. aid by country 2023 stats. That's right, we support loads and loads of them.

Subject: Countries That Receive the Most Foreign Aid From the U.S. | Best Countries | U.S. News


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What is the burden of military and humanitarian aid to other countries by Argentina?

I know they receive it.

"Argentina receives military aid from several countries, including the United States, China, and Russia. The U.S. provides Foreign Military Financing (FMF) and works on anti-crime and counterterrorism efforts. China has also been a significant supplier of military hardware, while Russia has provided training and other forms of assistance.
Detailed Breakdown:
United States:
The U.S. has a long-standing relationship with Argentina in military procurement, training, and education. Recently, they provided $40 USD million in FMF to support defense modernization. The U.S. also collaborates with Argentina on anti-crime and counterterrorism efforts.
China:
China has been a significant supplier of military hardware to Argentina, including fighter aircraft, armored personnel carriers, and naval vessels. Argentina also received a donation of armored vehicles and security cameras from China.
Russia:
Argentina has signed agreements with Russia for military training, and Argentina's military personnel have received training in Russian military academies.
Other Nations:
Argentina has also received military aid from other countries, including France, Germany, Spain, Israel, Brazil, Austria, Italy, Belgium, and Sweden. "

It is easy to tell the U.S. what to do with their money or where it should go. But have some concept of all the US taxpayers do shell out elsewhere. Especially if your taxpayers don't share those same burdens.

As far as threats:

I rate China, the current king of Communism as a much higher threat to the U.S. than Russia.

I rate radical fundamentalist Islam as a threat just as high to the U.S. and the Western world. Also the anti white, anti west, pro communist/socialist, anti semitic, indoctrinated youth and immigrants in the U.S. as well. We just had one violently murder 2 individuals just this week.

All a bigger threat to us than Russia.

Bottom line a lot of taxpayer $ went to many foreign countries for a variety of things.