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UshCha Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2024 12:05 a.m. PST

Legion 4, The US is half hearted, but they are nolonger interested in Europe. We are not fighting for Ukraine we are fighting for our own homes. If Russia wins we will be next, of that there is no doiubt.
The US seems to not care about Europe. it will cost them dear in the end. Who will buy US arms if they deceide exclusoivly where and when you use them?

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2024 7:38 a.m. PST

"Zelensky never attack Trump… he choose to side with those who support him"

Armand, it was shortsighted and stupid. None of that aid comes without republican votes. There were things said by Trump yesterday that make that apparent. Does he mean everything he said? No. But he will use leverage to get Zelensky to the table. He will do the same with Putin as well.

There is a method to his madness, as opposed to currently, a madness with no method.

SBminisguy26 Sep 2024 9:21 a.m. PST

@Legion4

NATO and the US have to support Ukraine in defense of their country. And deal a defeat to Putin.

What does that look like? Can you tell me -- can ANY "leader" describe for me what "defeating" Putin looks like? We're almost three years into the most costly and destructive war in Europe since WW2 and NOBODY CAN EXPLAIN WHAT WINNING MEANS in any REALISTIC terms!

Legion 4, The US is half hearted, but they are nolonger interested in Europe. We are not fighting for Ukraine we are fighting for our own homes. If Russia wins we will be next, of that there is no doiubt.

Then ACT like it!! Under Obama only 12% of NATO countries met their defense obligations, Trump browbeat and cajoled more NATO countries to the point where about 40% of NATO members met their military obligations, and now for the first time ever most are now begrudgingly at the 2% spending commitment. Y'all should be spending MORE than that if this is an existential threat. The US is into this war for almost a QUARTER TRILLION $$$$ -- Europe is about $100 USD Billion behind. If this is such a threat, why is the US still spending more on this than Europe is?

I mean, my grandpa fought the Germans to save Europe in WW1…grand uncles, uncles and older cousins fought the Germans to save Europe in WW2…dad, sister and many friends and cousins defended Europe from the USSR and WARPAC during the Cold War. Family's been helping defend Europe for 100 years now. Y'all wanna pick up the slack a bit??

Nine pound round26 Sep 2024 10:20 a.m. PST

I am breaking my long habit of never giving a +anything to say, SB +1

Pretty much the last thing I care about is whether anyone buys anything from Boeing.

Personal logo Legion 4 Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2024 2:03 p.m. PST

Legion 4, The US is half hearted, but they are nolonger interested in Europe. We are not fighting for Ukraine we are fighting for our own homes. If Russia wins we will be next, of that there is no doiubt.
The US seems to not care about Europe. it will cost them dear in the end. Who will buy US arms if they deceide exclusoivly where and when you use them?
Well as I have said many times … The current group of US leadership in the WH is risk adverse and fears escalation. Putin knows that. And has taken full advantage it. Starting with the world watching on TV of the disastrous A'stan withdrawal. Brought to you by the WH ignoring their military and intel advisors.

The WH slow walking/foot dragging to get much of what Ukraine needed to defend itself vs Russian aggression. The combat weapons aid should have been there sooner and in the higher numbers needed. As again their predilection for being risk adverse and fearing escalation. Was how they operated …

Regardless of what the current leadership in the WH and even some in Congress say. This Admin was beholden to those that gave huge amounts of $ to get this POTUS, et al etc. elected. Those big doners in most cases were woke progressive, leftist, liberal, Go Green, globalist socialists, etc.

Very early on the POTUS said openly when visiting US Military Bases/Post/units. That the Military's main job was to support climate change.

Then pushing the DEI/CRT/LGBTQ+ agenda into the military. Which was very divisive, etc. Instead of creating the standard of one unified force trained for combat. This dogma did just the opposite. Time wasted on things that do prepare these forces for combat. The only reason they exist.

In both these initiatives by the current Admin, in response to the wishes of those wealthy woke progressive donors. That this admin was beholden to, to do their bidding.

From Day 1 this very poor choice of priorities caused much disruption, etc. across the nation.


That is the short version … So, NATO was not a priority as it even looked like it may be disbanded. With no longer a great threat from the former USSR/WP. Again, Europe was not a real priority. The US WH's priorities were more in line with turning the US into a Green, woke progressive globalist socialist state.


Where everyone is equal including economically, sharing the wealth, driving Green EV vehicles, taking mass transportation, eating plants, etc., etc. Where everyone pays their fair share. All of this was completely unrealistic, etc.

It has demonstrated to be a failed initiative/dogma, etc. And continues to cause many problems across most of the nation. Especially in the Heartland, between NYC and California. Those in the WH/DC forgot about "we the people". Many in the WH & DC "wanted to fundamentally change America" … To a state that in reality many did not want.

So sorry NATO/Europe, you were not near top of the list. The current Admin and some in Congress forgot or just ignored what their #1 priority should be … protecting its people i.e. in turn national security. That security was also dependent of NATO in the big picture.


What does that look like? Can you tell me -- can ANY "leader" describe for me what "defeating" Putin looks like? We're almost three years into the most costly and destructive war in Europe since WW2 and NOBODY CAN EXPLAIN WHAT WINNING MEANS in any REALISTIC terms!
Read what I posted above … may answer at least part of your question … I may have said too much already ….

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2024 5:29 p.m. PST

"…But he will use leverage to get Zelensky to the table. He will do the same with Putin as well…."


How he would do with Putin?… under which conditions?… retain half of Ukraine?…


Do you really think Putin has any kind of fear or respect for Trump?… he doesn't have it with anyone… he does whatever he wants and he is showing it… the only thing the Russian Nazis have respected in their history has been the strength or violence of their opponents…

Armand

35thOVI Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2024 6:44 p.m. PST

Armand

1) under Obama, Russia takes the Crimea.
2) under Biden/Harris, Russia invades the Ukraine
3) under Biden/Harris, war has broken out in multiple areas of the Middle East
4) under Biden/Harris Iran feels free to do as they please
5) under Biden/Harris there is no freedom to travel in the waters of areas around certain waters in the ME

Under Trump:
Please tell me what war was raging with no end in the Ukraine.
Please tell me what wars were raging and expanding around Israel
Please tell me about oil tankers be sunk in the ME

So, I place more trust in his policies, than I do about the failed policies of the current group.

But maybe you are right. If Harris is elected, she can dazzle Putin with her "holistic" diplomacy. If that does not make sense, do some research on her last interview. 😉

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP26 Sep 2024 10:14 p.m. PST

Imho… with all my respect… Putin has to fight not to burst out laughing when he sees/hears the presidential candidates in the USA…


If I were Ukrainian… I would be packing my bags…

Armand

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