"Russia Has Already Lost The Ukraine War" Topic

Legion 4, The US is half hearted, but they are nolonger interested in Europe. We are not fighting for Ukraine we are fighting for our own homes. If Russia wins we will be next, of that there is no doiubt.
The US seems to not care about Europe. it will cost them dear in the end. Who will buy US arms if they deceide exclusoivly where and when you use them?

"Zelensky never attack Trump… he choose to side with those who support him"

Armand, it was shortsighted and stupid. None of that aid comes without republican votes. There were things said by Trump yesterday that make that apparent. Does he mean everything he said? No. But he will use leverage to get Zelensky to the table. He will do the same with Putin as well.

There is a method to his madness, as opposed to currently, a madness with no method.

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NATO and the US have to support Ukraine in defense of their country. And deal a defeat to Putin.

What does that look like? Can you tell me -- can ANY "leader" describe for me what "defeating" Putin looks like? We're almost three years into the most costly and destructive war in Europe since WW2 and NOBODY CAN EXPLAIN WHAT WINNING MEANS in any REALISTIC terms!

Legion 4, The US is half hearted, but they are nolonger interested in Europe. We are not fighting for Ukraine we are fighting for our own homes. If Russia wins we will be next, of that there is no doiubt.

Then ACT like it!! Under Obama only 12% of NATO countries met their defense obligations, Trump browbeat and cajoled more NATO countries to the point where about 40% of NATO members met their military obligations, and now for the first time ever most are now begrudgingly at the 2% spending commitment. Y'all should be spending MORE than that if this is an existential threat. The US is into this war for almost a QUARTER TRILLION $$$$ -- Europe is about $100 USD Billion behind. If this is such a threat, why is the US still spending more on this than Europe is?

I mean, my grandpa fought the Germans to save Europe in WW1…grand uncles, uncles and older cousins fought the Germans to save Europe in WW2…dad, sister and many friends and cousins defended Europe from the USSR and WARPAC during the Cold War. Family's been helping defend Europe for 100 years now. Y'all wanna pick up the slack a bit??

I am breaking my long habit of never giving a +anything to say, SB +1

Pretty much the last thing I care about is whether anyone buys anything from Boeing.

Legion 4, The US is half hearted, but they are nolonger interested in Europe. We are not fighting for Ukraine we are fighting for our own homes. If Russia wins we will be next, of that there is no doiubt.
The US seems to not care about Europe. it will cost them dear in the end. Who will buy US arms if they deceide exclusoivly where and when you use them?

Well as I have said many times … The current group of US leadership in the WH is risk adverse and fears escalation. Putin knows that. And has taken full advantage it. Starting with the world watching on TV of the disastrous A'stan withdrawal. Brought to you by the WH ignoring their military and intel advisors.

The WH slow walking/foot dragging to get much of what Ukraine needed to defend itself vs Russian aggression. The combat weapons aid should have been there sooner and in the higher numbers needed. As again their predilection for being risk adverse and fearing escalation. Was how they operated …

Regardless of what the current leadership in the WH and even some in Congress say. This Admin was beholden to those that gave huge amounts of $ to get this POTUS, et al etc. elected. Those big doners in most cases were woke progressive, leftist, liberal, Go Green, globalist socialists, etc.

Very early on the POTUS said openly when visiting US Military Bases/Post/units. That the Military's main job was to support climate change.

Then pushing the DEI/CRT/LGBTQ+ agenda into the military. Which was very divisive, etc. Instead of creating the standard of one unified force trained for combat. This dogma did just the opposite. Time wasted on things that do prepare these forces for combat. The only reason they exist.

In both these initiatives by the current Admin, in response to the wishes of those wealthy woke progressive donors. That this admin was beholden to, to do their bidding.

From Day 1 this very poor choice of priorities caused much disruption, etc. across the nation.

That is the short version … So, NATO was not a priority as it even looked like it may be disbanded. With no longer a great threat from the former USSR/WP. Again, Europe was not a real priority. The US WH's priorities were more in line with turning the US into a Green, woke progressive globalist socialist state.

Where everyone is equal including economically, sharing the wealth, driving Green EV vehicles, taking mass transportation, eating plants, etc., etc. Where everyone pays their fair share. All of this was completely unrealistic, etc.

It has demonstrated to be a failed initiative/dogma, etc. And continues to cause many problems across most of the nation. Especially in the Heartland, between NYC and California. Those in the WH/DC forgot about "we the people". Many in the WH & DC "wanted to fundamentally change America" … To a state that in reality many did not want.

So sorry NATO/Europe, you were not near top of the list. The current Admin and some in Congress forgot or just ignored what their #1 priority should be … protecting its people i.e. in turn national security. That security was also dependent of NATO in the big picture.

What does that look like? Can you tell me -- can ANY "leader" describe for me what "defeating" Putin looks like? We're almost three years into the most costly and destructive war in Europe since WW2 and NOBODY CAN EXPLAIN WHAT WINNING MEANS in any REALISTIC terms!

Read what I posted above … may answer at least part of your question … I may have said too much already ….

"…But he will use leverage to get Zelensky to the table. He will do the same with Putin as well…."

How he would do with Putin?… under which conditions?… retain half of Ukraine?…

Do you really think Putin has any kind of fear or respect for Trump?… he doesn't have it with anyone… he does whatever he wants and he is showing it… the only thing the Russian Nazis have respected in their history has been the strength or violence of their opponents…

Armand

Armand

1) under Obama, Russia takes the Crimea.
2) under Biden/Harris, Russia invades the Ukraine
3) under Biden/Harris, war has broken out in multiple areas of the Middle East
4) under Biden/Harris Iran feels free to do as they please
5) under Biden/Harris there is no freedom to travel in the waters of areas around certain waters in the ME

Under Trump:
Please tell me what war was raging with no end in the Ukraine.
Please tell me what wars were raging and expanding around Israel
Please tell me about oil tankers be sunk in the ME

So, I place more trust in his policies, than I do about the failed policies of the current group.

But maybe you are right. If Harris is elected, she can dazzle Putin with her "holistic" diplomacy. If that does not make sense, do some research on her last interview. 😉

Imho… with all my respect… Putin has to fight not to burst out laughing when he sees/hears the presidential candidates in the USA…

If I were Ukrainian… I would be packing my bags…

Armand

Trump meets Zelensky today.

Armand, IMHO if he laughs, he laughs at the leadership in most Western countries, including Canada. The Leader of Canada is just our VP without a dress on.

It's possible she and her VP may actually be even more left than I thought. Her VP was shown in a photo in Soros son's apartment. The photo was not released by the campaign, but by Soros's son. One can only imagine what that meant.

It's hard to find a family more left or responsible for more damage worldwide, than the Soros family.

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Do you really think Putin has any kind of fear or respect for Trump?

I dunno, but when Putin tested Trump in Syria in 2018, it resulted in 200-300 dead Russians. So from that he could see that Trump wasn't fruckin' around about things. He didn't state "red lines" he never enforced, if he said there was a "red line" and ya crossed it, well, FAFO.

The truth about the brutal four-hour battle between Russian mercenaries and US commandos in Syria
Up to 300 Russian and Syrian fighters killed in the attack

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Ivan Nechepurenko, C. J. Chivers
Saturday 26 May 2018 22:43 BST

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The exact casualty count for the Feb. 7 fight is unclear, but sources have estimated between 100 and 300 Russian and pro-Syrian fighters were killed or wounded in the battle. Russian officials claim only five Russian citizens died, but audio recordings of Wagner Group soldiers suggest hundreds of mercenaries were killed. One Wagner Group veteran confirmed the Apache attack in the recordings, describing it as "a ####### merry-go-round with heavy-caliber machine guns."

"To make it short, we've had our ####### ##### kicked," one Wagner Group veteran says in a recording. "They tore us to pieces. … They beat our ##### like we were little pieces of ####."

Nine of the 10 tanks were destroyed, as well as all six artillery pieces. The Special Forces team destroyed the lone surviving tank a few days later.

"We did not sustain a single injury," Chauncey says. "We didn't sustain a single death. I mean, guys were dinged up. Guys had PTSD from that battle, but everyone made it home."

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Russian continues to saber rattle about threatening to use nukes … again …

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US/NATO to surge military aid to Ukraine. Too late ?

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Saw an interview with UN Sec GEN on FOX this morning. He basically said, many NATO nations are spending 4% of their GDP on military. E.g. Poland and Baltic States. While others are spending to 3%. As they see Russia is a threat to Europe … again …

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A dissenter says Russian will collapse without warning …

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Many Russians are asking themselves; what went wrong?

"President Vladimir Putin ended 2021 by threatening war with NATO to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO and the European Union. Putin believes Ukraine is part of Russia and the Ukrainians disagree. Since 2014 Russia has been making a lot of headlines but not much sense. The economy is a mess, as in stagnant and shrinking. Russia has fewer friends or allies and the future looks dim. Sending troops into Ukraine (2014 and 2022), Syria (2015) and Libya (2016) has not helped solve any of the fundamental problems there but made for great propaganda. The latest military invasion in Ukraine backfired badly and in less than a year had destroyed most of the Russian army, wrecked the Russian economy and keeps getting worse with Ukrainian forces, backed by weapons and economic aid from NATO nations, pushing Russian troops out of Ukraine.

Many Russians are asking themselves; what went wrong? Russia entered the 21st century with a new elected government dominated by former secret police (KGB) officers who promised to restore economic and civil order. They did so but in the process turned Russia into a police state with less political and economic freedom. Many Russians opposed this and the government responded by appealing to nationalism. Russia has turned into what Germany had become in the 1930s. This included police state ways and the traditional threatening attitude towards neighbors. Rather than being run by corrupt communist bureaucrats, the country is now dominated by a collection of corrupt businessmen, gangsters and self-serving government officials that characterized the last czarist government of a century ago. The semi-free economy is more productive than the centrally controlled communist one but that just provides more money to steal. A rebellion against the new dictatorship has been derailed by astute propaganda depicting Russia as under siege by the West and NATO. Opinion polls show wide popular support for this paranoid fantasy but some Russians continue to struggle for better government and beneficial reforms. For now, most Russians want economic and personal security and are willing to tolerate a police state to get it. But the invasion of Ukraine and subsequent sanctions did more damage than the ruling politicians expected. That atmosphere, plus the anxiety generated by having troops fighting in Syria, Ukraine and Libya has scared away a lot of foreign investors and many Russian ones as well. Russia can downplay this in the state-controlled media but without all that foreign and Russian capital the economy cannot grow. Since 2014 most Russians can see daily that they are worse off than before…"

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Armand

Russia Loses India

"After Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, Russia was subject to international economic sanctions. This had some unfortunate side effects for other nations, like India, which has long been a major customer for Russian weapons. That trading relationship is another casualty of the Ukraine War.

India dramatically increased its purchases of Russian oil after the Ukraine war started because Western sanctions made it much more difficult for Russia to sell to its usual customers. That made Russia willing to significantly reduce the price of oil to customers willing to accept covertly delivered oil (smuggling). India was happy to do so and reduced its purchases of higher-priced Persian Gulf oil. This had drawbacks in paying Russia but India and Russia got around that by using China's currency (yuan). India had few products which Russia wanted, but sometimes barter deals could be worked out. The Russians were happy to accept Chinese yuan from India because they needed it to buy Chinese products, notably goods capable of being used for peaceful or warlike goods which were not subject to sanctions…"

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Armand

Why Did Russia Just Shoot Down Its Own Fighter-Sized S-70 Hunter Drone Over Ukraine?

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Armand

RUSSIA CAN'T CONDUCT MANEUVER WARFARE – AND THIS IS COSTING IT A LOT

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How is living in Nazi Russia Today

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Armand

RUSSIA CAN'T CONDUCT MANEUVER WARFARE – AND THIS IS COSTING IT A LOT

Many Ret. US senior leaders has said as much repeatedly. Of course, it didn't take much for me and others to come to that conclusion.

They are fighting a war of attrition, not modern maneuver warfare …

The Uncertain Future of the Russian Army

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Armand

Putin is Offering the West a Choice between War and Dishonor

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Armand

Does Putin even have the stuff to give the West such a choice ?

Putin's Generals Are Turning on Each Other

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Armand

Russia is sending 76-year-old men into battle now

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What a shame!

Armand

Seems there is trouble in the "workers' paradise" …

'We are being sent to slaughter' Russian soldiers REFUSE Putin's orders to be 'cannon fodder'

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Armand

I don't think based on initial reports the NORKs are not going to be an inflection point …

Maybe the idea was to have fewer people to feed…

Armand

Russian Railroads Revisited

"Russian forces in Ukraine have, over the last few months, been suffering ammunition shortages and increasingly unreliable railroad deliveries. Part of the reason for this was the August 2nd Ukrainian attack into Kursk province. The Ukrainians destroyed several key bridges during their incursion and Russia has not been able to assemble the materials and manpower to make repairs. The Russian railroad system is also in bad shape. Over two years of economic sanctions sidelined hundreds of locomotives and reduced track and signal system maintenance. One thing that increased was Ukrainian sabotage efforts against Russian railroads. The sabotage is often carried out by Russians fed up with Putin's foolish and costly war. Russia has been arresting, prosecuting and jailing some of these saboteurs. This does not appear to diminish the number of sabotage incidents.

For the first time since Russia invaded, Ukrainian forces are firing more artillery shells than the Russians. Russia is more dependent on railroads than other industrialized nations. That's because Russia never built a large network of highways. It was too expensive. Instead long-distance commercial and military land transportation was handled by the government owned and operated railroad. There are 128,000 kilometers of track on which 800,000 uniformed railroad workers operate over 19,000 locomotives and over 800,000 railway cars. In addition there are 65,000 kilometers of private railways built, maintained and used by various industries.

Russia has lost a growing number of employees to recruiters for the military. Despite the importance of the railroads, the Russian military will grab any military age railway workers it can and turn them into soldiers for the Ukraine conflict. The government also uses fake ads seeking workers for the railroads. Those who respond are then easier to grab and put into the army. Several million Russians have left the country to avoid military service. Many of these men have completed their one year of conscript service and don't want to be forcibly mobilized into the military to die in Ukraine. The end result is a railroad labor shortage…"

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Russia Versus The West

"Even before Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, Russian leaders believed they were at war with western nations, especially NATO and the United States. NATO nations were not really aware of this Russian attitude, even after Russia invaded Ukraine.

The official Russian interpretation of the situation is that Ukraine is under the control of the Americans. For that reason, Russian propaganda directed at Russians considers Ukraine a puppet state controlled by the United States.

Russian leaders are dismayed that when Russia threatens the United States for one reason or another, the Americans ignore them. Russian leaders get the impression that the Americans don't take them seriously. There are reasons for that and the most obvious one is the rampant corruption in Russia…"

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Armand

How Russia blocks military archives in further effort to distort the truth about World War II

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What they would did about this war?

Armand

All the reports I read or hear is that the Russians continue to take high loses in men and material, with little to no gains. And the NORKs are not the solution to push Putin to victory. Appears both have been bested by Ukraine's forces …

Brutally Honest Assessment of Russia's Military

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Armand

Black Sea Blackout

"There are things Russia does not want to deal with or be reminded of. One of these forgettable items is the loss of the Black Sea Fleet and the inability for the Russian navy to operate in the Black Sea. Russia recently held its annual naval exercises and this year none of those operations took place in the Black Sea. Over the last three years Russia has lost 29 warships in the Black Sea and doesn't want to lose any more.

Ukraine has no navy but they do have a lot of imagination and know how to innovate and quickly build and use their innovations. This is how hundreds of Ukrainian air and naval drones wiped out the Black Sea Fleet. Ukraine can export its agricultural products and import what it needs via the Black Sea. Russia has to depend on ports in the north, near the Arctic Circle. There are air and naval bases up there along with NATO members Norway and Finland to keep an eye on what the Russians are up to. There isn't much to report because Ukraine figured out a way to make drone attacks on Russian forces in the far north.

In 2022 Russia believed it could hunt down Ukrainian forces wherever they were. Now Russian air and naval forces are attacked wherever they are. In 2022 Russia believed they could strangle Ukrainian trade via control of the Black Sea. Defeat of the mighty Black Sea Fleet was inconceivable. Then it happened and the Russians are trapped in a disaster they created…"

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Armand

Prosecuting Putin's Proxies: How Prosecutions Are Reshaping the Fight Against Russian Irregular Forces

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Old Russian tanks apparently heading for the frontline. Scraping the bottom of the barrel if this is correct.

But it will still take time to defeat the Russians, it aint over yet.

Russians Gone Missing

"Russia invading Ukraine in 2022 has turned out to be a big mistake. So far nearly 800,000 soldiers have been killed, wounded or missing. Millions of 18-45 year old military age men have fled the country. That meant Russia was forced to take men as old as fifty or 60. All these losses created a labor shortage, with millions of jobs unfilled. That meant higher wages to attract scarce workers. This in turn led to high prices for consumers. There is also an in-progress collapse of the railway system that may result in economic collapse in 1-2 years and mass starvation in 3-4 years. That may somehow be avoided. If not, the losses will be immense and Russia may never recover.

Many who left the country were university educated, or skilled tradesmen. These refugees were either able to speak another language like English, German or Polish or were willing to learn one quickly. While Poland bordered Russia it was not receptive to Russian refugees. Poland has been invaded, partitioned and occupied many times in the last two centuries, and Russians were usually the aggressor. If a Russian seeks asylum in Poland the Poles often encourage moving on to more hospitable nations further west.

Migration, combat deaths and low reproduction rates are rapidly reducing the Russian population, which is currently about 145 million. It is expected to fall as low as 133 million by 2050. Russia conducted its first census in 1897. The population of what is now the Russian Federation was 125 million. That rose to about 136 million in 1920 but declined to 109 million in 1939…."

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Murphy's Law: Russian Ball Bearing Blues

"Russia's ability to continue the Ukraine war is being compromised due to catastrophic mismanagement of its railway system. This emerging situation is so dire that cutoffs of service to vast areas, starting with Siberia east of Irkutsk to the Bering Sea and Sea of Okhotsk, to save the rest of Russia next year may happen next year. Russian railways account for about 43 percent of all transportation in Russia, and most of its east-west transport. The present rate of loss of rail cars and engines to worn-out axle bearings is so bad that that the Russian economy may come to a standstill and collapse in 1-2 years. One of the key issues here is rail transport of coal, which is declining fast but essential for electric power production.

Running trains with worn-out axle bearings causes them to derail and damage tracks such that movement of trains with effective bearings is not possible until the wrecks are cleared and the rail beds are repaired. Such accidents have recently become significant problems.

The degree of this problem is clouded because the Russian army has taken scores of thousands, perhaps more than a hundred thousand, rail cars out of service for use as storage of their cargos. It takes time and manpower to both unload them for local storage and then reload them for local transport. It's faster and takes less manpower to unload the rail cars once, directly from the rail cars onto trucks for local delivery. Plus the Ukrainians keep blowing up the unloaded cargo sites. The Russian army has no use for rail coal cars so the decline in rail transport of coal is a good proxy for the proportion of rail cars out of service due to worn-out axle bearings. It is difficult to distinguish rail cars deadlined for worn-out bearings from those with adequate bearings which the Russian army has deadlined as storage for their cargos. Plus there is probably some to considerable overlap between the two…"

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Armand

Saw a report in the media about Putin and his war. Looks like he is going to play hardball about ending the war. He will probably want to keep the Donbas and Crimea. Until that happens, he will continue this war of attrition …

Look forward to seeing how the new POTUS will do. I'd think he knows how to make a deal. The current POTUS … well … no comment …

The new POTUS was elected in part on a promise that he would end the war very quickly. We can ignore the 24 hours to end it brag. Now he sounds like he is not so sure. No comment on his deal making skills either after he wanted to invite the Taliban to Camp David just before Sept. 11, and the treaty he then made with them.

Biden has just authorized another 2 billion in military aid to Ukraine. But I assume this could be halted before it gets going. Maybe Trump will realize this could buy him some time as Zelensky can hold off Putin a little longer?

If true- and you can go back seventeen pages in this thread, if you like, to sort out the things that came to pass from those that did not – the reporting about the railroads would be extraordinarily significant. The Russian economy and military logistics systems are heavily rail-dependent, and a major problem (like large masses of equipment becoming unserviceable) quickly creates problems that ramify throughout the system. The US rail system was disrupted by far smaller events than mass equipment failures in the 1990s, and those cascaded very rapidly through the network. The Allied air forces produced similar results by bombing the Reichsbahn's rail yards during the closing stages of WWII.

The new POTUS was elected in part on a promise that he would end the war very quickly. We can ignore the 24 hours to end it brag. Now he sounds like he is not so sure.

Putin is talking and playing hardball. And the new POTUS is not even in office yet. Like Putin kept threating to use nukes. He may be saber rattling again. For his own constituents … After all it has to be obvious by now many that Putin sent to war are not coming back. Most are dead or dying. Many also deserted … But nowhere near how many died …

But as I have said, let's see what happens … once the new POTUS has actually moved into the WH … Of course, his first battle will be with many of his own population … the Democratic Party. I assure you Putin and his minions watches the news. Not just MSNBC that passes for … never mind …

Regardless, he, Iran, North Korea, the CCP and islamic terrorists know the Dems will be his first battle. And they're banking on that Trump won't be able to get anything done with his own people, from a different party getting in the way. Which gives them time to continue with their plans to tear the USA down. The current Admin has done what the Communists and islamic terrorists could not. And have been trying to do for decades. That is the real threat to democracy … the enemy is not at the gate … but within …

I don't see how the Dems can do very much – but I am not an expert on Congress. Trump is a sort of shadow President for a couple more weeks, has majorities in the House and Senate, a friendly Supreme Court, appointees like Musk taking charge of admin. It seems like the ball is in his court. How would Dems obstruct his agenda? They have been beaten, are in some disarray, have no clear leader. They can rant all they want, but they don't have the votes.

Actually Tort, they are attempting to put "political IED's" out there to impede or stop Trumps agendas as much as possible.

This today

Subject: Biden Moves to Permanently Foil Trump, Ban Offshore Drilling in Some U.S. Waters


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The Musk thing still puzzles me by those in the media who keep saying he is the real president and all their faux concern. Not a one of them was concerned about who has really been running our country for the last 4 years. 🤔

Well, whatever the Dems could do, if they wanted to, at this point, Elvis has left the building. The Dems and GOP will fight among themselves, as much as they do with each other. The GOP better get their💩 wired tight … now. It is going to be a knife fight/trench warfare even more so when Trump gets in … As noted Trump is basically the POTUS now. While the current POTUS and VP
are empty suits even more now.

To go to another front … a very important one, IMO … Behind the war in Ukraine …

The word in the media and FOX and Newsmax shows the footage of Biden saying the #1 threat to the USA is white supremacists. And sent the FBI etc. on white hunts looking for these white supremacists, parents a school board meetings, Catholics that strongly embrace their faith and are against abortion, etc. as priorities. Not giving the islamic terrorist the attention they should have. Regardless of how many time the FBI Director kept raising the red flag about islamic terrorists …

The VP was at rally(?), of mostly moslem and as seen in the footage she said we have to stop using the term "moslem terrorist. More of the same tactic, you can call illegal aliens immigrants, etc., etc. but the statutes still calls then illegal.

The current admin was catering to US moslem citizens, all 2% of them for their vote. So they did not want to offend them.

Meanwhile besides all those that fly here on US C-17 from the A'stan debacle. Most never having anything to do with working along the US. Most barely being vetted are now roaming around the US. Most no one in the Gov't where or who they really are. Some already have be found out to has ties to islamic terrorism.

Add the hundreds of islamic terrorists that crossed the Biden-Harris open border. That were caught, there are many that were "got aways". No one knows who they are …

This admin had dropped the ball much, much too often … to not see this or doubt it is being so blind as to not see the reality.

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I'm not sure it matters what Biden has done. Remember when Biden undid a lot of Trump's actions when he took over? Trump can do the same. And he can go after those party members in Congress who don't play ball using primaries in the next election.

Give the number of people who have illegally entered the country about whom we know nothing, I was surprised that a couple of them were not the perpetrators in the New Years terrorist attacks. Also concerned that Isis survived and has been making a comeback. .

Speaking of the two attacks;

The one in Vegas is very, very strange. This guy was Green Beret. Yet the "bomb" was as amateur as it could be. Like someone took anything that might ignite and threw it in. Gas cans, fire works, etc.

Also this guy according to relations was conservative and pro Trump. Yet he does a symbolic explosion in front of a Trump building with a Musk built vehicle. Had also killed himself before the explosion? He also was supposed to be very happy prior.

His ex was extremely liberal. But so what. I think I also read he worked with drones in the military. If true, he could not have done better.

This one is just weird. Waiting for more. Reminds of those Washington DC "suicides" of people associated with the Clintons.

Well, the relatives likely would have the best read on him. He must have been pretty accomplished…maybe it was symbolic more than a real attempt as mass destruction.

Tort, yes they are portraying him now in the media (Fox and other MSM) as such. Suffering from PTSD and this was a symbolic act. Amazingly they say they cracked his phones and printed his manifesto… yes already.

Now they still have not cracked the Trump assassins phone. They never printed the Tennessee transgender's manifesto (although others finally did). 🤔

I just saw this on the web. Now is this anymore true? But scary and it also says a lot about the drone sightings on the East coast. Also he was involved in drones.

Think I'll wait for more information, before believing either.

Subject: Collin Rugg on X: "BREAKING: Shawn Ryan says he is going into hiding following the release of his most recent episode where he shares an email allegedly sent by Matthew Livelsberger before the Trump hotel explosion. Guest Sam Shoemate says he was sent an email on Tuesday from Livelsberger before t.co/SuWqtazVdf / X


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Shawn Ryan, former U.S. Navy SEAL, CIA Contractor, and Founder of Vigilance Elite.

And To be fair, this is Fox and MSM

"A decorated Army veteran suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder called U.S. government leadership "weak" and appeared to acknowledge he purposely blew up a Tesla Cybertruck at the entrance of the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas on New Year's Day, police said Friday.

Assistant Sheriff Dori Koren of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department said investigators were able to access one of two phones found in the Cybertruck and viewed writing in an app that seemed to serve as a journal, documenting some of Matthew Alan Livelsberger's movements and state of mind from Dec. 21 to New Year's Eve."

Subject: Cybertruck driver left behind rant praising Trump and Musk, slamming Democrats


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If he thought he was being followed by the FBI, maybe he drove to a Trump Tower in a Tesla to feel like he would be safe there and could draw attention to his fears. He did not seem like he wanted to kill people, dangerous as his actions were.

Tort, the problem is, there are holes in both of the stories. Things that just don't make sense.

Tort it's things like this that make the MSM story seem strange to me.

"A U.S. Army soldier, identified as 37-year-old Matthew Livelsberger, allegedly detonated a Tesla Cybertruck explosion in front of the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas, causing injuries to seven individuals.
Matthew's uncle, Dean Livelsberger, claimed his nephew was a fervent supporter of President-elect Donald Trump and a proud member of the armed forces.

Dean described his nephew as a "super soldier" with a deep love for his country and a strong admiration for the MAGA movement.
Matthew, a Green Beret with a notable military career, had dedicated years to serving in the Special Forces.

"He used to have all patriotic stuff on Facebook, he was 100 percent loving the country," Dean told outlets. "He loved Trump, and he was always a very, very patriotic soldier, a patriotic American. It's one of the reasons he was in Special Forces for so many years. It wasn't just one tour of duty."

The uncle also had serious questions about the equipment Matthew allegedly used to make the truck explode, which included rudimentary fireworks and camping fuels.

"Matt was a very skilled warrior, and he would be able to make — if it was him, and if he did this — he would've been able to make a more sophisticated explosive than using propane tanks and camping fuel. He was what you might call a ‘super soldier.' If you ever read about the things he was awarded and the experience he had, some of it doesn't make sense when he had the skills and ability to make something more, let's say, ‘efficient.' His skills were enormous from what he had been taught in the military."
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