Tango01  | 13 Jan 2024 4:40 p.m. PST |
UshCha + 1 Au pas de Charge … what do you mean about "a professional Army"?… how many training those new soldiers had…?
IMHO… mostly of the real professionals rusian soldiers (and officers) dead on the first year of the conflict… take note that they continue dying then… so, we now see the new levy for a while which histories to be there are really amazing for this Century…
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 Legion 4 | 13 Jan 2024 5:11 p.m. PST |
Can you call them "poorly motivated" when the soldiers keep making suicidal attacks? I think UshCha is correct. The Russian troops are not really motivated to fight Ukrainians. But like we saw in the WWII Russian Military, in many cases if you do not keep going forward and turned around to run. A Commissar with a MG team will cut you down. May not be that bad today. But heavy losses don't mean you are motivated. Based on my training and experience, that is not motivated … yes? And yes, Tango you are correct … any real "professionals" in the Russian Army were few and far between. And most if not all long dead or will be soon. They had no capable NCO Corps and it looked like it in almost every engagement. Junior Officers were not much better as we saw & are seeing. The comment of them not being poorly trained and are a professional military. Makes me believe … well … is not accurate to say the least. To say they are fighting like a professional army, mean some making that comment may not really know what they are saying. Again, not only my training, experience, study of history, etc. tells me they are a poorly trained, motivated, lead, supported, etc. military. They continue to demonstrate they don't understand modern mobile maneuver combined arms warfare. They fight more like in WWI. It also makes me believe, those that think otherwise don't understand that either. Of course, I'm saying what I know as a former military professional, for over a decade. Plus, from comments made by senior US Ret. military officers i.e. LTCs, COLs, GENs, and ADMs. They know what they are talking … while some others here clearly don't. * Not your question Bill, yours was an honest actual query AFAIK. But some others … not so much. Seems to me, they are just being contrary for just the sake of being contrary. Comments are nonsensical, don't have any sound knowledge or background in the topic of military operations, etc. |
| Tango01 | 13 Jan 2024 5:16 p.m. PST |
What poor ignorant can believe that his country is in danger of being invaded (or attacked) by France, Germany, Belgium or Spain?… and died for that stupid lie…
Only those who live under a repressive and terror regime… without civil rights or any kind …
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| Legion 4 | 13 Jan 2024 5:19 p.m. PST |
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| Au pas de Charge | 13 Jan 2024 7:57 p.m. PST |
Au pas de Charge … what do you mean about "a professional Army"?… how many training those new soldiers had…? They recruit steadily, something like 1000-1500 a day and they receive a couple of months of basic training and then 2-4 months of combat training; often with live ammunition exercises. The training blend is different for different categories such as volunteers, conscripts and contractors. However, the conscripts are not usually sent right in. Also, Officers train the enlisted men directly which is somewhat unique.
It's not a perfect army but they seem to by and large conduct themselves in a serious and focused manner with coordinated defenses. Some of their attacks are disjointed but I think that's more a symptom of poor equipment (such as comms equipment) than a reflection of training or planning.
A lot of the observational shortcomings the West assigns to the Russian army seems to be based on their tradition of accepting high rates of loss. But they have the numbers. Its right for NATO to be worried because we dont have the troop numbers they have. |
| Tango01 | 13 Jan 2024 11:02 p.m. PST |
Coordinate defenses…. yes
Poor equipment… yes
Training… no with conscripts not motivated… they even don't know for what they are really going to dead… they go because of fear for reprisals … not good soldiers with that…
Contractors … yes but there are a limit and they loose a lot with the take of a medium town last year…
Voluntaires … not sure… Cubans?… from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan or similar?… do you imagin they moral in combat?
Planning … NO… they show day by day the same mistake… an armed column with a size of a Company of Infantry … in multiple places of the war zone testing the Ukranian defenses… wich kind of tactic or planning is that?… they only loose hundred of poor soldiers day by day… not counting tanks and other armoured vehicles or artillery…
Tradition … maybe… the worst I have seen since WW2 (which by the way… they won because of the war material the Allied send to them as now NATO is doing with Ukraine)
NATO worried because of troop numbers?… no way…if Ukranine alone were capable of infringing upon this destruction to the second world's military power… image how much harm can made the NATO countries together…
Russia has alredy lost the Ukranian War
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| Legion 4 | 14 Jan 2024 11:47 a.m. PST |
Tango +10 OK … This is getting ridiculous. No matter what we say, and in many cases are correct in our posts. AP whatever, you say is just the opposite. And in most cases, it is wrong. Demonstrates total lack of real military knowledge or training. Another POV is one thing, but every post is more ridiculous than the last. And not only in my opinion but most here. Your posts defy what well read or former professionals who served in any branch of the military, knows as facts. I really think you are just being contrary. It does not stimulate a good discussion, it just shows the intent is to be just the opposite. Somehow wanting to prove you are the smartest guy in the room ? You may be, but not on tactical, operational or strategic military levels. What is your point ? No one agrees with your take on anything. As it is nowhere near being correct. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. But at some point someone has to question what you post. Let's set up a model per se e.g. the world is flat 🌎 and the moon is made of green cheese 🌕 … ????? No one believes that. And IMO and others based on the recent past your posts would say opposite … 🤔 I have no idea if or where you got any military training or general knowledge on conflicts/war. Even if you just read about it in books. Again, seems to me and many others a lack of knowledge on military operations. Also clearly shows no real training and experience. I can't imagine any former military professional coming up with your incites. Again, many are just ridiculous, not only in dogma but in understanding of the art & science of war. I see someone who, based on my training and experience. Some would say does not know what he is talking. Also like many Officers I trained my troops at times. Along with my NCOs. Once they are out of basic, they need to learn collective tasks with a Fire Tm, Squad, etc. Under my ultimate command. Based on orders from Higher, etc. A Vet would know that. It isn't just the Russians. And IMO they do a  poor job.
Just for the exercise, and other members here please just humor me.  *Note: my experience as an Army Officer is nothing special. Average is how I would be rated AFAIK/IMO.
[Watching Law & Order now BTW] Your Honor 👨⚖️ I have some questions for the alleged guilty party.
E.g.: Have you ever lead a Rifle or Mortar Plt? Been an Air Ops Officer for Air Assault Bn ? Commanded a Mech Infantry Co. ?
Graduated from US ARMY Basic and Advance Infantry Officers Course ? Graduated from Combined Arms School ? Cross trained with the USAF and USMC ? Been on both a Bn and Bde Staff ? I'm sure your answer is NO … I know I'm wasting my time … But I had just to say all this … One can only take so much of this sort of "exercise" in futility /🐮 and 🐴💩 … *** Bill, you now can put me in the Dawg Haus 🐕🏠 if you like … 🕵️♂️ "Book'm Dano !" … 👮♂️ |
| Tango01 | 14 Jan 2024 9:45 p.m. PST |
Thanks Legion… imho you do not deserve the DawgHaus for you have said… it's a Forum were you can said your opinion… but when is about a War with people dying everyday it's difficult to be pragmatic… War is hell and I'm not in favour of it… I know what I'm talking about… not only because of personal experience nor for my knowledge about History … Maybe it will be because I am in a part of my life where I value good moments more and more and also because it hurts me to see so much useless death produced by a tyrant who does not seem mentaly right to me… if he had wanted… he could have continued negotiating. I can't believe that someone living in the West could believe that NATO countries were preparing to invade Russia… much less that they would defend such a useless and destructive action for that same country knowing that the motivation is a pure lie. Nobody takes into account what life was like in Russia prior to its opening to the West?… I understand Cuprum 2 if it is really Russian… living in a country where the news is managed only by the State can confuse you… but I don't understand how you can avoid knowing more with the possibilities that the Internet currently gives you… much less do I understand those who live in the West and support this senseless war…
Has anyone of those staunch defenders of this "special military operation" ever looked on a map at the number of countries that, having been under Soviet control for years, are now part of NATO or the West?… nor the progress they achieved thanks to that? …isn't that the true fear of the Russian Oligarchy?… that its people will one day become aware that they live much better with those values and in peace?
I hope it ends soon… and that it doesn't fire even more, enveloping other countries, or nuclear weapons are used… that doesn't come back.
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| Legion 4 | 15 Jan 2024 9:40 a.m. PST |
Thanks Tango ! I of course pretty much agree with all you posted here. But it appears that there are no other options at this point. Russia invaded the Ukraine for no real reason but imperialism … islamic terrorist supported by Iran on 07 Oct committed horrific barbaric crimes against humanity. IDF has the right of self-defense. They must kill off Hamas and the other islamic terrorists to save the lives of their own people.
As well as it is a moral imperative to punish those that butchered many noncombatants. And it doing so … many will die. But the IDF does not want this slaughter to happen again. The short answer is kill those and their supporters that committed this most heinous act. The Houthis are shooting at commercial shipping, the USN, etc. Again, short answer – take out the missiles, etc., that they are using to make these attacks. Repeat as needed … It still is a very dangerous world out there and the US current leadership is not feared nor respected by our enemies. They all only understand power and strength … the top US leadership is not projecting that. It is clear to everyone. US leaders don't have the right stuff from Day 1. So, these conflicts will continue partially because of US weakness … |
| Au pas de Charge | 15 Jan 2024 10:51 a.m. PST |
OK … This is getting ridiculous. No matter what we say, and in many cases are correct in our posts. AP whatever, you say is just the opposite. And in most cases, it is wrong.Demonstrates total lack of real military knowledge or training. Another POV is one thing, but every post is more ridiculous than the last. And not only in my opinion but most here. Your posts defy what well read or former professionals who served in any branch of the military, knows as facts. You're making a lot of assertions here. I am giving my opinion based on military analysis and reading. If you disagree, you should do the same. Otherwise, repeatedly maintaining that you have some experience and knowledge and that I am wrong comes across as if you are disheartened and dislike the information rather than whether it is false or not. That might also be why you have to make this personal.
Legion 4: I have no idea if or where you got any military training or general knowledge on conflicts/war. Even if you just read about it in books. Again, seems to me and many others a lack of knowledge on military operations. Also clearly shows no real training and experience.I can't imagine any former military professional coming up with your incites. Again, many are just ridiculous, not only in dogma but in understanding of the art & science of war. Im not giving you any Intel on myself. You'll just have to continue to guess and make due by addressing the points Im making and the information I'm using. I notice when I use information from the few sources you set down that runs counter to your point, you ignore or dismiss it. I analyze information from every source available to me to come up with an objective picture. Perhaps you can also share some, any, of what you're currently reading that gives a different picture?
Legion: I really think you are just being contrary. It does not stimulate a good discussion, it just shows the intent is to be just the opposite. Perhaps you can relate what you think a good discussion is then? Is it everyone agreeing with each other? "Intent"? Why exactly do you think my having an opinion you claim is false but dont seem to have any counter to is a sign of "intent"? My "intent" is to see things the way they are.
Somehow wanting to prove you are the smartest guy in the room ? You may be, but not on tactical, operational or strategic military levels. Wow. Where is Tortorella when you need him? |
| Tortorella | 15 Jan 2024 12:31 p.m. PST |
Well,AuPas,I am clearly not the smartest guy in the room. That may indeed be you. I enjoy many of your comments with or without agreeing with you. But personal stuff from any of us does not get us anywhere. Once it starts and people defend themselves and attack each other we will literally lose the thread. I would rather we did not have these protracted personal judgement issues come up here, regardless of who starts it, who keeps it going. We all take the bait sometimes. We don't learn anything in these contests. |
| Legion 4 | 15 Jan 2024 6:42 p.m. PST |
Bottom line again, further conversation with some here is a waste of time. |
| Ned Ludd | 16 Jan 2024 2:06 a.m. PST |
"Bottom line again, further conversation with some here is a waste of time". I completely and utterly agree with you. |
| Legion 4 | 16 Jan 2024 9:06 a.m. PST |
Ned on a very rare occasion I totally agree with you. 👍👍 "And suddenly for one bright shining moment the Universe all made sense." … 🌌 |
| Tango01 | 17 Jan 2024 11:31 p.m. PST |
Russia Enlists 30,000 Soldiers Monthly for Ukraine Conflict link
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| Au pas de Charge | 17 Jan 2024 11:43 p.m. PST |
@Tango From your article: Skibitskyi's statements shed light on the high-casualty approach of the Russian military, particularly in strategic urban battles such as those in Bakhmut and Avdiivka. Analysts have observed the continuation of these tactics across various fronts, notably the United States' report in October about Russia employing "human wave" tactics. These involve deploying underprepared and poorly equipped troops into high-intensity combat scenarios, often resulting in significant losses. It is worth mentioning that, for a couple of decades now, the USA's armed forces have focused on low intensity combat training. We are unprepared for high intensity combats while the Russian army is gaining in experience. |
| Tango01 | 17 Jan 2024 11:50 p.m. PST |
What a costly "experience", mon Dieu!… And After two full years… it seems that your little friends didn't learn much…
I recommend that you read the letters that Russian soldiers send to their families/friends… they don't see much progress in the "experience" they are living…
I would very much like to know where your admiration for those despicable bloody savages arose…
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| Legion 4 | 18 Jan 2024 10:04 a.m. PST |
The US Military has trained up on modern combined arms maneuver warfare. Since the US is not operating on an insurgency mission. The US Military's primary mission during the Cold War was with NATO to defeat the Russians/WP if they crossed the IGB. I know I was there. And I was not the only one here. We trained for both situations, the Air-Land battle doctrine and counter-insurgency ops. Once Infantry is on the ground with support from combat multipliers. They can do what is needed. I know I was there. And other Vets. From the Jungles of Panama, the DMZ of the ROK, the Mojave Desert and the IGB. We trained for all contingencies. Like many Vets here we know we can fight to defeat the enemy. Some did … Tango +1 |
| Tango01 | 20 Jan 2024 10:37 p.m. PST |
Russia Now Using Giant Soviet-Era Ground-Launched Anti-Ship Missile To Attack Ukraine link Armand |
| Tango01 | 24 Jan 2024 4:55 p.m. PST |
How Russia is Losing Kaliningrad (and why it matters) YouTube link Armand |
| Legion 4 | 24 Jan 2024 8:23 p.m. PST |
But … Wait I thought some here said Russia was winning !!! |
| Tango01 | 24 Jan 2024 11:17 p.m. PST |
Russia's lightning war in Ukraine has failed and is now a resource war – ambassador
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Russian Crude Shipments Hit by Storms and Baltic Drone Strike
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Russia accuses Ukraine of shooting down military plane carrying 65 Ukrainian POWs
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| Tango01 | 25 Jan 2024 11:46 p.m. PST |
Russia's Large-Scale Infantry ‘Meat Assaults' Killing Its Own Troops link Armand |
| Legion 4 | 26 Jan 2024 11:43 a.m. PST |
Tango +1 … The Russians are going to have to start putting old ladies and orphans in the line next … |
| Tango01 | 26 Jan 2024 5:31 p.m. PST |
Better they put corrupted policitians and would be a win-win… Armand |
| Legion 4 | 26 Jan 2024 8:02 p.m. PST |
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| Tango01 | 26 Jan 2024 11:36 p.m. PST |
Russia Mounts Naval Rockets on Tanks & Trucks to Compensate for Artillery Losses in Ukraine link
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| Tango01 | 27 Jan 2024 5:37 p.m. PST |
Russia Strives to Survive link
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| Legion 4 | 27 Jan 2024 9:15 p.m. PST |
Does not sound like the Russians are the juggernaut some were saying … Hmmmm ? |
| Tango01 | 27 Jan 2024 10:20 p.m. PST |
About Russian Assault Rifles in Ukraine
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Russian Equipment Losses in 2023
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A must read…
Russian Casualties Keep Increasing
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| Tango01 | 30 Jan 2024 11:22 p.m. PST |
PUTIN ISN'T HITLER, HE'S MUSSOLINI—AND UKRAINE IS HIS ABYSSINIA link
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| dapeters | 05 Feb 2024 1:10 p.m. PST |
It's sadly ironic that we are living in a time not of first rate bad guys but on B or C list Bad Guys. |
| Tango01 | 05 Feb 2024 4:59 p.m. PST |
A deep degradation of Bad Guys has been seen for years. Armand |
| Tango01 | 05 Feb 2024 11:45 p.m. PST |
What military advantage could Russia get out of Libya?
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| Legion 4 | 06 Feb 2024 9:32 a.m. PST |
dapeters & Tango +1/ea. And we should be glad they are B or C rated, especially now … |
| Tango01 | 06 Feb 2024 5:11 p.m. PST |
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| Legion 4 | 07 Feb 2024 5:43 p.m. PST |
Yeah they have not done their homework … A D it is ! |
| Tango01 | 07 Feb 2024 11:58 p.m. PST |
The Tank is Dead? link
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| Legion 4 | 08 Feb 2024 5:56 p.m. PST |
The name of the article is a bit misleading. The author makes some valid points. And some in favor of the MBT, as part of the combined arms team. I may have to find other threads here on this topic … and just repeat what I posted there. |
| Tango01 | 09 Feb 2024 11:17 p.m. PST |
Behind the Lines: Inside the Resistance Sabotaging Putin's Plans for Ukraine link
A Russian Victory in Ukraine Would Imperil Us All
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| Ned Ludd | 10 Feb 2024 3:59 a.m. PST |
"A Russian Victory in Ukraine Would Imperil Us All" Uttar garbage. Ukrain a free democratic society with nazis shelling the eastern regions of its own country since 2014. Articles like this are war mongering propaganda. |
| Tango01 | 10 Feb 2024 5:15 p.m. PST |
Lucky us that Putin and his gang do not used the war mongering propaganda…
Lucky us that there are not nazis with Putin…
Il y a des gens qui semblent vivre dans un cône…
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| Tango01 | 10 Feb 2024 9:57 p.m. PST |
Setting the record straight
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| Tango01 | 12 Feb 2024 11:35 p.m. PST |
Chinese Bank Cuts Ties to Russian Importers link
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| Tango01 | 13 Feb 2024 10:59 p.m. PST |
Russia vs the West
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| Tango01 | 15 Feb 2024 10:45 p.m. PST |
Russia Runs Out of Russians
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Ecuador and Russia At War
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Russia Running Out of Tanks
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Corruption Continues to Cripple Russian Forces
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Russia Losses its Largest Arms Export Customer
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Russian Oil Economy Crippled
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| Tango01 | 16 Feb 2024 11:12 p.m. PST |
Vladimir Putin blamed for death of Alexei Navalny – as mourners arrested
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Sho Boki  | 16 Feb 2024 11:30 p.m. PST |
Ned Ludd:
"A Russian Victory in Ukraine Would Imperil Us All"
Uttar garbage. Ukrain a free democratic society with nazis shelling the eastern regions of its own country since 2014.
Articles like this are war mongering propaganda."
"Eight years dombili Bombass!"
You are repeating Nazi war mongering propaganda lies of Muscovites here, why?
Who do you represent, devil's advocate?
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| Legion 4 | 17 Feb 2024 11:47 a.m. PST |
Good articles Tango … but it seems some here still ain't buy'n it … |
| Tango01 | 17 Feb 2024 4:20 p.m. PST |
Thanks… good articles indeed… hope people choise to read some of them… I cannot read the comments of those fanatic supporters of Russia about Navalny murder…
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has been itching for a small Soviet project!
