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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian28 Apr 2022 8:48 p.m. PST

Which conflict would have been the worst for AFV crews?

Personal logo Dye4minis Supporting Member of TMP28 Apr 2022 8:54 p.m. PST

The Russo-Ukraine War of 2022.

Martin Rapier28 Apr 2022 10:23 p.m. PST

The First World War. The vehicles were barely bullet proof, and so awful to operate most crews were exhausted after a few hours.

witteridderludo29 Apr 2022 1:14 a.m. PST

Does this include "Special Military Operations"? Because if yes, I think we have a winner, at least for the Russian crews :-)

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP29 Apr 2022 4:29 a.m. PST

Thermopylae. Bad terrain for heavy vehicles, almost no maneuverability, difficult logistic resupply. Limited spotting opportunities and lanes of fire.

Prince Rupert of the Rhine29 Apr 2022 4:45 a.m. PST

Surely depends which side you are on? Wouldn't fancy being a Syrian tank crew on the Golan heights in 1973. Wouldn't fancy being an Iraqi tank crew during the 1st gulf war either if I'm honest.

HMS Exeter29 Apr 2022 4:54 a.m. PST

Every one since the invention of gasoline.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP29 Apr 2022 5:09 a.m. PST

I have to agree that it depends on what side you are on – for the WWI tank crews there were no readily available anti-tank weapons while in the Gulf War the US and UK tankers had a pretty good ride – not so much on the Iraqi side

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP29 Apr 2022 5:32 a.m. PST

Yom Kippur, I think. As Prince Rupert points out, no joy being Syrians on the Golan--but things were pretty grim for the outnumbered Israelis, too. Early Sinai was rough for the IDF armor, and later on the Egyptians had some bad days.

That said, at least it was over quickly. Sign on for German armor in WWII, and it's six years unless you're crippled, captured or killed earlier. How many 1939 panzer crewmen do you suppose were still alive and healthy in May 1945?

This is why war should as much as possible be confined to tabletops.

OSCS7429 Apr 2022 8:25 a.m. PST

The war "you" are in!

Andrew Walters29 Apr 2022 9:55 a.m. PST

WW1 without question. They got off to a rough start. You couldn't pay me to work in one of those for a few hours even if no one was shooting at us.

Korvessa29 Apr 2022 9:58 a.m. PST

Manning a T-26 in some of the Motti battles in the Winter War was no cake walk.

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP29 Apr 2022 11:28 a.m. PST

I agree with most, WW1 was awful for AFV's.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP29 Apr 2022 3:31 p.m. PST

Consider alternatives, Herkybird and others. Would you rather be a WWI infantryman?

Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP29 Apr 2022 4:59 p.m. PST

I'd rather be a WWI aviator. And I have no desire to be an aviator.

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP29 Apr 2022 7:58 p.m. PST

WW1

UshCha30 Apr 2022 1:08 a.m. PST

WW1 you could only last a few hours before cabon moxide poisening was so bad you had to get out regardless. That's even before the enemy started shooting.

Rich Bliss30 Apr 2022 7:06 a.m. PST

The next one.

Wolfhag01 May 2022 12:39 p.m. PST

I'd have preferred being a WWI tanker than a soldier in the trenches.

Rats, filth, poison gas, disease, bombardments, snipers, walking across no mans land through machine gun bullets, etc.

When I enlisted I could have been a tanker but chose the infantry.

Wolfhag

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2022 7:57 p.m. PST

Congratulations! You're driving around in an armored vehicle! Lucky you! Of course, that also makes you the biggest target on the battlefield, which every enemy soldier wants to brag about taking out, and every enemy officer wants taken out ASAP. Which means you are in a fire magnet for everyone and everything.

The only time you want to be a tanker is when the other side doesn't have effective weapons to stop you. Otherwise, I'd take a hard pass.

Personal logo Old Contemptible Supporting Member of TMP02 May 2022 7:05 p.m. PST

In WW1 your own take could kill you.

Wolfhag03 May 2022 5:19 a.m. PST

Does anyone have WWII data on US tank versus infantry causalities? I wonder which would have been safer.

Wolfhag

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP03 May 2022 2:13 p.m. PST

In the words of either Willie or Joe "a movin' foxhole attracts the eye."

Korvessa03 May 2022 7:59 p.m. PST

Parzival
That is pretty much a word for word quote from my dad when I told him I was going armor branch
(dad was WWII airborne)

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP05 May 2022 7:39 a.m. PST

On the other hand, your dad was jumping out of perfectly good airplanes. wink

Seriously, my thanks to you both for your service.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP05 May 2022 7:40 a.m. PST

Apparently, the worst tank to be in is a Russian one: link

Wolfhag05 May 2022 11:23 a.m. PST

The May 9 parade in Moscow should be pretty short this year.

Some people claim the T-34 was the worst tank in WWII because so many of them were destroyed.

I think until someone comes up with an effective kinetic energy counter to ATGM's the passive defenses on tanks will be inadequate.

Wolfhag

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP11 May 2022 7:21 a.m. PST

What happens when a T-90 meets a Swedish-made handheld grenade launcher: link

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