"Ukraine lost 65th ammo depot" Topic

"Thousands of tons of ammunition of various types and calibers came under the control of Russian troops in the city of Balakliya, Kharkov region. We are talking about the 65th arsenal of the armed forces of Ukraine, which was the largest ammunition depot in the country. It is noteworthy that even after the fires and explosions in the warehouses in Balakliya, which showed themselves several years ago, the contents of the arsenal remained more than impressive".

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This will greatly simplify the Russian logistics during the offensive. The ammunition is already being used by Russian troops.

Defenders knocked the Russian occupiers out of 3 settlements

We have good news from the front. Our Armed Forces carried out a successful counterattack, having launched offensive operations against the enemy yesterday morning. Fierce fighting continued during the day. Our units pushed the Russian troops out of the settlements: Bezruky, Slatine, and Prudianka in the Derhachi district, and secured their own positions.

Ukrainian Pravda: link

Is there a video?

Can they please make up their mind about this? When googling this I find a video of this facility, showing stocks of munition and news reports that it is on fire and everything is exploding?
Possibly some Russian troopers where smoking after opening some cases of ammo to film them leading to that explosion. They seem rather careless about that, not just in the navy :-)

Well as I have said before … if it is "news" from Putin's Russian. I don't believe it. Unless a much more reliable source says what really happened.

Don't believe. It's your problem, not mine ;)
The position of the ostrich, which hid its head in the sand, is comfortable, but at the same time very stupid. Reality, whether one believes in it or not, does not change.
It's just that such news is knocked out of the Western mainstream and they are simply hushed up.

Here is the UKRAINIAN map, which reflects the events taking place in real time. How true it is – I do not know, but the city of Balakleya, where the arsenal is located, is depicted on it in the Russian zone of control :-)

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This arsenal has twice experienced problems: in 2017, there was a large fire and explosions that damaged 260 buildings in the nearby city. Part of the ammunition was destroyed. In 2019, there was an explosion of ammunition during the destruction of ammunition damaged earlier during a fire. Here the scale of the disaster was much less.
But it was a Ukrainian warehouse and it was Ukrainian soldiers who violated the security there.

Here, by the way, is an example of flagrant Ukrainian carelessness. You probably haven't seen it yet.

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By the way, I can assume that the decision to supply Western artillery is connected precisely with the loss of the largest Ukrainian artillery depot. Soviet-style artillery in Ukraine is now likely to experience ammunition problems.

You win some and you lose some, that is war. As long as you win more than you lose you are doing at least ok.

Ukraine is about to receive 90 155 mm howizers from the west. When deployed with modern ammo will be of great help.

Precision guided munition will be very effective.

This supply dump loss is of course bad but it is not a game changer or a strategic set back. I highly doubt the orcs will be able to capitalize on this gain

I too doubt that is a relevant factor in Ukrainian capability- 122mm, 152mm etc is produced in Poland and maybe Czech Republic and elsewhere. If there is any truth in the russian story, lost ammunition would be replaceable from those sources.
I think the decision to send the US M777 is that it is said to be an exceptionally effective CB piece, especially when paired with the appropriate radar.

Basically UKraine's military production is increasingly happening everywhere but Ukraine.

I'd doubt the 'thousands of tons' thing since apparently a lot of war material is bottled up in the west of the country because Ukraine is suffering from logistics problems of their own.

It'll also be interesting to see what Ukraine can pull off with the PzH 2000 once they turn up.

Congratulations to the Armed Forces of the russian federation.

But…
How many washing machines were found and requisitioned?

> Basically UKraine's military production is increasingly happening everywhere but Ukraine

Not exactly everywhere.
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Don't have to stress, I'm pretty peeved about Germany's rank in the leaderboard.

Of course, the equipment of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will receive a growing share of Western material.
After all, the point was that they wanted to join the West, not them.
And rightly so.

'Everywhere' was a bit of hyperbole I admit, but basically unless China and India get off the fence and go all in for Putin the military production overmatch is so big it all most might as well be everywhere.

I suspect Germany may well step up more on an EU platform once the reconstruction becomes a more practical discussion. That is where the sums are going to get very big (and once the glamorous stuff is done I can see the UK government skiving off).

Don't believe. It's your problem, not mine ;)

I'll be a sticking with disbelieving much of what Putin and Russia says. No ostrich concept, just so much of what comes out of Russia and even in some cases Western media. The Truth may be out there … but in many cases it is skewed, biased, agenda & narrative driven, etc.

Russia invaded an independent nation for no other reason than to take territory. Something that hasn't happened in modern Europe since WW2, which also included Russian coordination with Germany in invading its neighbors to include a Russian invasion of Poland.

Cuprum, you can deflect all you want and whine about the poor Russians, but Putin started this war.

Putin's War.

I suspect Germany may well step up more…

I think the politics there are preventing Germany from sending offensive weapons, on grounds it might lead to WWIII.

> on grounds it might lead to WWIII

This.
I don't want to bore you too much with German politics, but since you do it all the time with U.S. politics, I'll do it nonetheless.

About 45% of the population is against the supply of heavy weapons or undecided.
Most of them probably fear an escalation toward nuclear war.
In the governing coalition, the junior partners, the Greens and the Liberals, are in favor of supplying heavy weapons.
Among the Social Democrats, there is a large section that opposes this.
For general pacifist reasons, for concrete fear of nuclear war and, I fear, because there are still people there who don't want to be forever at odds with Russia.
And not to forget: Chancellor Scholz's political mode is the same as ex-Chancellor Merkel's.
Cautious wait and see.
This similarity with Merkel was one of the reasons for his election.

So yes, they fear nuclear war, which could be mainly on their territory.
The idea probably dates back to the Cold War era, when that would have been exactly the case.
Fulda Gap anyone?

All other arguments are more or less weak excuses to buy time.
They don't like the idea and need some time to realize that the good times are gone for good.