"How to end the war in Ukraine" Topic

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Maybe they could threaten to do "The View" live from the Kremlin 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, until he withdraws. Maybe 2 weeks and he Capitulates or puts a gun in his mouth. Either way, the world wins.

Since the original lyrics to "Imagine" are orthodox Marxism . . . .

No possessions. No religion. No nations. A golden age of peace and prosperity. Pure Marxism.

Imagine all the people sharing all the world.

Excellent elaboration.

Yes, interesting how the Beatles when through a Marxist phase but never surrendered the means of production to the workers and remained rich.

Spot on doc mcb, I hate that song.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
Bunker Talk blog

Nailed it Doc. Yes, can not stand that song.

I concur. One of the most overrated songs in history.

At least as influence by Buddhism, but given the yoga panic of the last few years, some folks think that's at least as bad as Marxism.

It's funny that some of the most violent anti-Marxists blame (one particular) religion for much of the violence in the world today.

It's funny that some of the most violent anti-Marxists blame (one particular) religion for much of the violence in the world today.

For the violence that particular religion actually causes, yes. Which is far better than violent and non-violent blamers of all religions who blame another particular religion for violence that it didn't cause.

Bear in mind that when Marx called religion "the opiate of the masses", it wasn't necessarily a condemnation.

That's true for that particular quote. However, Marxist regimes have been very violently anti-religion.

Of course there is a great deal more to Marxism, in economic theory and historiography and so forth. And of course every Communist would still own his own toothbrush. But I stand by this:

No possessions. No religion. No nations. A golden age of peace and prosperity. Pure Marxism.

Workers of the WORLD, unite! Marxists may (barely) tolerate religion but are themselves atheists. Religion, like the state, was to wither away.

The major flaw is that The State will want (demand) to be worshipped as the one true religion…

Marx would have advised the Ukrainians, if they really wanted to take the cross as an independent nation, to take the sword and give them as quickly as possible everything that enables them to deliver a long and painful war of attrition to the russians, since there is no other way because of the nuclear stalemate.
Germany in particular.
German self-propelled howitzers, Leopards, Marders.

Marx was deeply russophobic and considered russia a very dangerous, expansionist and uncivilized power that can ONLY be kept in check by military power.

He would have considered this war as a proxy war of deterement against russia.
But of course, he was not a pacifist and would have known russia will not stop and try to wipe out Ukraine as a Nation if they are not stopped themselves.

As a non-Marxist, I have to give him that, especially since both he and the communist ideology are dead and buried.
Even if there are some worms still crawling out of that grave.
But worms loosen the soil,which is a good thing.
Every gardener knows this.

One of Marx' more famous quotes from the 18.Brumaire is:
'Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.'

And what else to call russian military performance than a "farce"?
Still, of course, a dangerous farce.

No possessions… No nations… In the 80s World Vision and various other entities were cramming images of children who had no possessions or home, and not enough energy to do anything but stare at the camera with flies all over their faces that they couldn't even brush away, in our faces, begging for money; all to these particular lines of that song.
Imagine THAT for a moment.

It's like that statue of a homeless man outside the Cathedral of the Sacred Heart in Townsville. It doesn't mean what the bishop thinks it does.

Nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Not much of a song, IMO, and not a call for Marxist action, more like just tuning out the whole mess as Lennon saw it. He was more of an an anarchist. I don't recall any overt political impact from it. It was more of a dream like thing, fluff.

Would not be my choice, nor does this project mean much. I think it will slip away. I am not happy that certain American news pundits are regular features onRussian state tv, though.

Okay, but if one asked a Marxist what the end in view was, where he wanted the human race to end up, what the VISION was for the future, wouldn't it be in these terms? A classless and a nationless world society, sharing the wealth, without any higher or external authority (church or state), as these things would wither away as they ceased to be needed?

And all you have to do is change human nature!

All this over a I'll Babylon Bee post? Even if you loved that song, you have to admit that the Covid celebrity singing of it was cringy elitist nonsense. It's humor, people, lighten up.

The easiest way to end the war in Ukraine is to have Ukraine attack a NATO member, NATO declares war & invades Ukraine (though likely splitting Ukraine into an East and West, if the Russians don't leave 'their' half), then pouring in loads of economic & recovery aid for an undetermined time of 'occupation'… ;-)

"It's funny that some of the most violent anti-Marxists blame (one particular) religion for much of the violence in the world today."

Considering one particular religion is on one or both sides in about 90-95% of shooting wars currently happening, it kind of makes sense.

Forget the end view doc, none of it works anyway, it Marxism. We might as well be talking about Winnie the Pooh.

Tort, yes, of course it is fantasy. But it is a fantasy that has seduced millions into poverty and death. It should be stomped on and not indulged.