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Bandolier09 Apr 2022 3:53 a.m. PST

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Apologies if posted elsewhere.

korsun0 Supporting Member of TMP09 Apr 2022 4:27 a.m. PST

Yep, that about sums it up nicely….

Bandolier09 Apr 2022 4:30 a.m. PST

Now the Ukrainian Farmer's Guide

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Personal logo etotheipi Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Apr 2022 6:11 a.m. PST

Not to cut journalists a break, but to be fair, they are writing for the general public. If they called a SAU a SAU instead of a tank, that would necessitate a few paragraphs on the difference between a tank and self-propelled artillery. And since there is no in-depth operational or tactical analysis in the general journalism, those differences make no difference to the point of the story.

From another perspective, try this one on:

"My computer is acting up, can you help?"

"Sure, so it's your computer, not your firmware, network connection, data, software…"

"Well, I mean my software."

"Oh, ok, so not your middleware, operating system, BUIS, UI, …"

"Never mind."

rustymusket Supporting Member of TMP09 Apr 2022 6:52 a.m. PST

Good comparison, etotheipi! Don't worry. Be happy!

BillyNM09 Apr 2022 7:47 a.m. PST

Bandolier your Su-25 looks more like a Yak-130…

Legion 409 Apr 2022 7:48 a.m. PST

Very good ! And very true ! Just like many things in the media. You really need to check if what you're being reported in the "news" is true ! 😎

FWIW – Of course, in reality, the current Russian MBTs look similar then with added ERA, stowage etc., make it a bit hard to ID "accurately". Back in the day, we had T54/55s, T62s, T64s, T72s and maybe the odd T34/85 or even T-10s. To ID and kill if the Cold War went hot …

williamb09 Apr 2022 7:49 a.m. PST

Saw a similar one on a website, but with a civilian vehicle like the Russians are using in place of the dog.

ROUWetPatchBehindTheSofa09 Apr 2022 7:55 a.m. PST

Being cynical the 'dog' should read 'Western human interest' instead of tank.

There has also got to be a shoulder-launched missile version which just reads 'Javelin'!

14Bore09 Apr 2022 8:09 a.m. PST

Too funny, now do fully automatic weapons

The Beast Rampant09 Apr 2022 12:30 p.m. PST

Simple: Anything betreen a dime-store sqirt gun and Mons Meg is an AK-47.

OSCS7409 Apr 2022 5:43 p.m. PST

The main difference between and old journalist of the past and modern journalist is logical reasoning and objectivity. Modern journalist are mostly mouth pieces of a political party.

andresf10 Apr 2022 7:17 p.m. PST

I've had YouTube suggest me a video by one of these so-called military history buffs insisting that the BMP was a "terrible tank" and giving several reasons why it wouldn't fare well against other tanks. Maybe you've seen it, it's recent. Thankfully one commenter politely pointed out BMPs are IFV and so of course they cannot go toe to toe against tanks…

On a serious note, this drives me crazy and never found the explanation: can someone tell me why T-72 tanks have their pintle mounted MG pointed *backwards* (see image in first post here), while other tanks such as T-64 and T-80 derivatives have their MG pointed forward?

Buck21511 Apr 2022 10:46 a.m. PST

This is similar to all WW2 German tanks being referred to as "Tigers".

Black Bull11 Apr 2022 11:13 a.m. PST

The MG is movable on a ring mount can point backward, foreword, any way in between.

andresf11 Apr 2022 1:10 p.m. PST

Black Bull: but why is the MG (almost) always depicted pointing backwards in T-72s and (almost) always pointing to the front in T-64/80?

dapeters11 Apr 2022 1:53 p.m. PST

It think you all are being a little harsh on journalist, 2/3 of those vehicles have treads, turrets and guns, and it can be really difficult when their in several burned out pieces.

Zephyr111 Apr 2022 2:26 p.m. PST

"…never found the explanation: can someone tell me why T-72 tanks have their pintle mounted MG pointed *backwards*…'

It's the only tank with a tailgunner…

Legion 411 Apr 2022 3:51 p.m. PST

but why is the MG (almost) always depicted pointing backwards in T-72s and (almost) always pointing to the front in T-64/80?
As Black Bull said the T-72's TC's MG is on a ring mount and it can slew into position as needed.

T-72 with MG pointing to the front link

T-72 with MG pointing to the rear -
link

Now if you look at the model of this T-72. link The TC's hatch opens to the front to give him some protection when "un-buttoned". However, to use the DshK MG. The TC hatch cover rotates to the rear. And the MG rotates into the forward position. And can be fired to the front, etc., by the TC … IIRC old fart

andresf12 Apr 2022 8:02 a.m. PST

@Legion 4, that's actually a perfect explanation: the MG on T-72 usually points backwards because this means the open hatch will point forward, providing some protection when un-buttoned.

If the hatch of the T-64 is NOT tied to the MG in the ring, unlike the T-72's, this explains the difference!

Thanks!

Legion 412 Apr 2022 9:11 a.m. PST

Well glad to help. It used to be part of my job to know that stuff. old fart

javelin9814 Apr 2022 6:13 p.m. PST

IIRC, Soviet tank commanders were trained to put the cupola hatch between them and and the enemy if they were not actively engaging with the MG. I remember watching some British Army training films from the 80's that showed that quite specifically.

Legion 415 Apr 2022 11:05 a.m. PST

Yes, if you look at that link of the model of the T-72 I posted. It clearly shows that.

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