"Is the Azov Regiment still in business?" Topic

I am writing about the statement of the new mayor of the city of Mariupol – Konstantin Ivashchenko. Now he runs the city. There is no Wikipedia article about him in English, but there is an article in German:

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This is the former head of the Azovmash plant and a deputy of the Mariupol City Council before the flight of the previous mayor.

The statement of the new mayor is in the article "Der Spiegel" (also in German):

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You gave a link to the statements of the former mayor of Mariupol – Vadim Boychenko, who fled the city on March 23 (at the beginning of the assault), leaving the inhabitants who elected him to their fate, and he has been in Zaporozhye for a month now. What can he know about the real situation in the city behind the front line? And nowhere in the article itself is it said that these are somehow confirmed figures – just assumptions.
And yes – new graves appear in the city cemetery. Bodies are being removed from under the rubble and the dead, buried earlier among the houses, are being reburied. During the assault, it was not possible to bury the dead in the cemetery during the battle.

So an appointee of the aggressor. Which unfortunately rather colours the estimate with the faked and fantasy output of the Russian propaganda channels. I hope he has an exit strategy puppets and quislings don't always have a happy time when the invader and their backer gets kicked out.

As I understand it, you would prefer that no one would be involved in the establishment of life in the city and its restoration? Or will the previous mayor do this, sitting hundreds of kilometers from his city?

By the way, his assessment of the damage to urban infrastructure almost completely corresponds to the estimates of Economics, which I cited above.

Pay wall. Though the head line is 90% of damage in the city is too housing. Different spin from your quote. Damaged buildings is not a total measure since habitability is also measured in water supplies, electricity, gas, sewage, telecommunications…. IIRC correctly electricity and water are knocked out.

Also whose going to restore the city and for whom? The vast percentage of the population have bailed to the west or east including what looks like forced deportations. Assuming Russia can hold what it has taken (and that is a big if). I suspect most of those who went west will remain in or only return to western Ukraine with its huge injections of Western aid and capitol rather than the sad little ruins literal and economic of Putin's irredentism. Donbas will likely remain a front line for some time to come. The Ukrainian military will increasingly move to NATO standard equipment and against the West's production capacity Russia simply can not compete. The US is putting a new lend-lease bill in place. The Ukrainian's are getting their tanks repaired abroad. Their military industrial complex increasingly is effectively beyond the reach of the Russian army. Unless Putin wants to do something really stupid.

Everything I have read or heard short of coming out of Russian/Putin disinformation. Is Mariupol still has dug in Ukrainian forces, including Azov units, Ukrainian Marines and probably some of the units.

My take away – Talking about these Azov fighters – Yes they are Nazis. But as long as they are killing Russians, no one in the Ukraine, NATO, etc. are complaining. As the Ukraine can use all the help they can get. They are said to be pretty effective vs Putin's marginal ground forces.

The Azov units along with Ukrainian Marines and probably some other Ukrainian units are still holding parts of Mariupol. They are dug in in a steel factory and one or two other locations there, AFAIK. The Azov units are doing dismounted raids into the Russian lines. Destroying Russian equipment and personnel.

The Russians are going to try to attack the Ukrainian positions in Mariupol. They are very well dug in, and it will be another Stalingrad. But Putin and his followers don't care how many troops they lose. If they try to do house to house, room to room. In and around the steel factory, etc. The Russians will pay for every inch.

Fortunately most NATO nations are sending heavy weapons to the Ukrainians. The US, UK, Germans, etc. are going to make the Putin's forces pay.

FWIW – what Wikipedia says about the Nazi Azov units … link

There are people who call themselves Nazi-s in every country Russia has skin heads as much as anywhere.

Yep … as I have said before, the USA has a Nazi party, full of white supremacists, etc. They are a very small vocal minority.

As of 9 hours ago, the Russians are still shelling the steel works. My thought is that they didn't give up like we keep hearing.

Many on here say it's alright to be Nazi's, and behave like Nazi's, because they are fighting Russians for the "homeland"?

Sorry, for me the ends don't justify the means.

Videos show Azov with women and children deep in underground bunkers below the steelworks. There is shelling 22 hours of the day. But two hours each day anyone can have save passage out of the works.

My question is: if there are 1,000 women and children civilians in the underground bunkers, short on food and well-being, why don't they just evacuate? They claim they haven't seen the sun for so long, why not leave during the two hour period? Or….are they being held as "Hostages" to be Human Shields? War-crimes?…..Time will tell

The order to storm the steel-works was never given. Whatever Ukrainian/Militia here is surrounded deep in enemy territory. How long will Azov last?

But two hours each day anyone can have save passage out of the works.

Nonsense. Russians don't respect the humanitarian corridors, don't let the vehicles through, etc.

I guess you have some evidence or links to back up your claim?

We're talking specifically about Mariupol.

I have mentioned before at this point the Ukrainians have a bigger enemy now – Putin's Russia … As long as the Nazis are not attacking them but the Russians. The rest can be sorted out after this is over.

I have not heard of these Nazi war crimes. Did they occur ? Please inform me. None of us support Nazis, white supremacists, etc., they are abhorrent to say the least. But are they committing war crimes? The Russians seemed to have cornered that market AFAIK.

Russia accused of shelling Mariupol humanitarian corridor

…Petro Andryushchenko, an adviser to the mayor of Mariupol, the besieged port city on the Sea of Azov where the remaining Ukrainian forces and civilians have been hiding out in a steel works, said the latest attempt to get people out had failed.

Andryushchenko claimed that agreement on a humanitarian corridor out of the Azovstal steelworks had proven to be a "trap", with Russian forces firing their artillery on the exit zone just moments after announcing through loudspeakers that a green corridor had been opened…

The Guardian: link

"Videos show Azov with women and children deep in underground bunkers below the steelworks. There is shelling 22 hours of the day. But two hours each day anyone can have save passage out of the works."

Considering that the Russian are happy to target civilians specifically, I am not sure what this argument even means, unless of course it more Russian disinformation.

Considering that the Russian are happy to target civilians specifically, I am not sure what this argument even means, unless of course it more Russian disinformation.

The logic is clear …

Videos show Azov with women and children deep in underground bunkers below the steelworks. There is shelling 22 hours of the day. But two hours each day anyone can have save passage out of the works.

My question is: if there are 1,000 women and children civilians in the underground bunkers, short on food and well-being, why don't they just evacuate? They claim they haven't seen the sun for so long, why not leave during the two hour period? Or….are they being held as "Hostages" to be Human Shields? War-crimes?…..Time will tell

If you are a civilian and are offered "free passage" by someone you do not trust, would you just walk out?

Filtration camps
Earlier this month, Mariupol mayor Vadym Boychenko revealed that the Russians had set up several "filtration camps" across the besieged city. A recently published report, citing an eyewitness, verified the claim. The report also stated that in the camps, Ukrainians were being interrogated for hours before being deported to remote areas of the Russian Federation including Siberia, North Caucus. Notably, the Russian Federation is currently embattled by a historic post-Soviet population decline.

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If the Russian forces really believed in opening an actual humanitarian corridor, they need to allow a third party to come in and help people to evacuate to where they wish to go.

They are not doing that. They are saying one thing but doing another.

You can ask for proof. Here are two pieces of proof of this.
Russia: We are not going to attack.
(They attacked)

Russia: We are not going to occupy territory.
Russia plans to control the southern part of Ukraine to have a passage to Transnistria. link
(This I originally saw on TASS Russian News agency, but now I can not find it.. every news piece including this one gives the following reminder:

On February 24, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a special military operation based on a request from the heads of the Donbass republics. The Russian leader stressed that Moscow had no plans to occupy Ukrainian territories. In response, the United States, the European Union, the United Kingdom and a number of other countries imposed sanctions on Russian individuals and entities.

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Still in business, doing gods work against the heathens. Who said the battle for Mariupol was over?

Well they have been rated as pretty good soldiers tactically. And Putin's troops just the opposite ..

Runors say dozens of busses are leaving Azovstal. Could be wounded ukrainians "exchanged" for russian POWs. Or all defenders leaving exchanged for POWs.

Zelensky is said to clarify it in a speech later.

Whichever the defenders have fought like lions. Heroes every one of them.

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The commanders who are interred in Turkey gets to meet their families

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Glory to the brave!

I believe some units of the Azov Regiment were not in Mariupol, and continue to serve Ukraine elsewhere.

Well, they certainly would be a plus in the Ukraine's counter offensives. The war is not over as we see …

Kraken regiment is based in Dnipro and has Azov survivors and sometimes refers to itself as Azov.

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If I am correct this is the Azov unit fighting.

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Its commander Denys Prokopenko is back.

The clip reminds me of my militaryservice. We had a visit by a priest and stood at late dusk with burning torches. One of my squad mates (not the brightest) blurted "now we just need to burn a cross ". One 2nd lt heard it and ran up and knocked him down with a punch to the face. Kicked him hard and said that jokes like that was not acceptable. The rest of us thought the whole incident quite funny.

"Nazis ! I hate those guys!" …

But in this case, seems they did kill a lot of Russians. And took losses as well. Sounds like something I have heard before somewhere ?

Odds are though that many of those "Nazis" are just normal Ukrainian draftees filling out the ranks.

I want to say that the survivors of the Azov regiment are part of the 3rd Assault Brigade who's seen a lot of action around Bakmhut these days.

3rd assault brigade is a merger of different "special forces", Azov members and others. They are well trained and experienced. No doubt tough as nails and well trained and equipped and led compared to other Ukrainan forces. But lets not forget A LOT of the current Ukrainain forces have less than 8 months in uniform. That the average soldiers get a 5-7 weeks basic training and in best cases 3-4 more weeks of training before heading into battle.

An average US brigade would perform infinitely better in everything. Why? Well all soldiers have a much longer training period and are more trained as units and as one team (inf, tanks, arty and other support work in concert).

This they do not master at all, yet.

Tough? Yes. Well motivated? Yes. But working in concert and use own initiative in a fluid situation? Not yet.

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