"Is the Azov Regiment still in business?" Topic

Most of what I've seen about the Azov Regiment (supposedly a Ukrainian Nazi unit) is old, dating back to 2015 or so. I think I read they were in the Mariupol area but haven't heard anything lately. Does anybody have better information? Did they escape, or are they trapped in Mariupol? Were they disbanded or captured?

Grelber

Last I heard they existed. All I know.

I just saw am independent report that they are holed up in a factory and are killing civilians

I just saw am independent report that they are holed up in a factory and are killing civilians

Sounds like the usual Russian disinformation. I can find no such reports in the online press.

…It noted that the Azov regiment's role is as "a special unit of the National Guard of Ukraine, and is subordinated exclusively to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief -- the President of Ukraine, by the way, a Jew."

"It would be absurd to think that we are united by the idea of white racism or nazism," the Azov statement added…

CNN: link

Sounds like the usual Russian disinformation.

Yes, I agree. I'm pretty sure the Nazis are killing Russians … and vis versa … just like old times …

Large number of casualties in Mariupol. The Ukes launched a rescue attempt to get the leadership out. Russians shot down 3 out of the 6 MI-8s sent to extract them… so about half the leadership was evacuated. The remaining troops have either melted into the population or are holding out in a few remaining neighborhoods.

The Russians aren't offering quarter. They have been destroyed as a fighting unit.

I suggest non-Western media to get better information.

Joe Collins

I suggest non-Western media to get better information.

I suggest much of what you just said is Russian disinformation. The Azov are Putin's favorite bogeymen, they are everywhere.

lol, they probably have nazi flags and black sun tattoos because they didn't get the memo…

As much as I am not a big fan of the Russians intervention in Ukraine, some russian style "de-nazification" on Azov is not necessarily something I will spend hours arguing about.

Until recently, there was a special forces regiment "Azov" in Ukraine. Now the operation is underway to destroy it in Mariupol. Separate centers of defense remained on the territory of the industrial zone of the city. I hope that in the next few days the last Nazis from this regiment will be destroyed. They fought well – the Americans had done a good job in training the Nazis.

link

In addition to the regiment itself, there are official organizations of the Nazis from "Azov". They are made up of veterans of the regiment and their associates in the Nazi movement. They are called "Civil Corps of Azov" and "National squads". They are located all over the country, armed and legalized "police assistants". In fact, these are "death squads" engaged in intimidation and murder of dissenters.

So far the Azov is fighting in besieged city of Mariupol. The fall of that city has been predicted for weeks now, yet it holds out.

Sooner or later Marupol will most likely fall. Then all civilians will be murdered by the Russians, Women and young girls will be gangraped and murdered. All of the Azovs will be killed also.

The Russians will just behave like they always have done, a murdering raping horde of savages. They have already proved it in Chechnya, Syria, Hostomel, Butja and other places.

I sugest to use various sources of informations. BBC and CNN are not reliable source

Well, of course, in Western propaganda, everything will look exactly like that.

link

The battles for Mariupol are ending. The Ukrainian army surrenders. Yesterday, 267 Ukrainian marines surrendered to the Russian army and the DPR militia:

YouTube link

YouTube link

Perun: fair call, and I do tend to avoid major western media at the best of times.

Cuprum: "Well, of course, in Western propaganda, everything will look exactly like that."

Mate, you must really sniff some serious glue before posting. Vlad the failure is just killing people because the country won't roll over and welcome him in. As for propaganda, I've no doubt western media is biased and I've said it before, but your lot take the cake for absolute . I always thought media in my country was partisan but the propaganda you swallow with your breakfast takes the cake.

I've asked you before, if you really believe you live in a free country where you are entitled to the truth, go and criticise your government, or your president, or this war in public and tell me what happens.

lol, they probably have nazi flags and black sun tattoos because they didn't get the memo…

Don't confuse the political party from the military unit. Two different things.

The battles for Mariupol are ending. The Ukrainian army surrenders.

You've been saying that for a month. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Yesterday, 267 Ukrainian marines surrendered to the Russian army and the DPR militia:

Where are the yellow armbands? Marines, not Azov?

They fought well – the Americans had done a good job in training the Nazis.

Strange, your Wikipedia link doesn't back up your claim:

US training however was withdrawn on 12 June 2015…

It notes contact with Canadian and NATO, but doesn't mention actual training.

In justifying the 2022 invasion of Ukraine by Russia, the Battalion has played a central role in claims of "denazifying" Ukraine, with Russian media inflating its presence and influence within Ukraine to paint a picture of the whole of the Ukrainian government and military as under Nazi control.

Meanwhile the Russians are doing well murdering civilians and have, in general, had a hard time of it leaving the Ukrainians with more equipment than they started with when the Russians invaded. Whilst they listen to their clown at the UN trying to justify the invasion and blaming everything on the Ukrainians, he must have gone to the same childrens propaganda school as comical Ali!

Tally Ho!

korsun0
Is it tastier to swallow Ukrainian propaganda?

Russia is not a free country. Never been – and she still has a long time to learn.
But I can say the same about Ukraine.
A country where dissidents are simply kidnapped and killed without trial, where political opponents are sent to prison, their property is taken from them, they are expelled from the country – is this a free country?
A country where people are divided into "correct" and "incorrect" (those who are oriented to the West, and those who are oriented to Russia) and "wrong" are simply forced to obey, or artillery fire is fired at their cities and reject any negotiations is it a free country?
A country where unwanted political parties and media are simply banned, while outright Nazis are not only allowed to operate legally, but also to hold political posts, serve in the army and police, and even create their own regiments – do you call this a free country?

Ukrainian freedom is a cardboard backdrop for a bad performance.

I do not support this war, but the current Ukrainian state does not arouse the slightest sympathy in me either.

And people are sorry. Everyone. Those who lived under artillery shelling in the Donbas for eight years, those civilians from both sides (here I mean the unrecognized republics whose cities and towns the Ukrainian army continues to shell), who are now dying and suffering, pity the Ukrainian and Russian soldiers.

Editor in Chief Bill

"You've been saying that for a month. I don't think it means what you think it means."

I didn't say that. I say it now.

"Where are the yellow armbands? Marines, not Azov?"

I think their yellow armbands are in the same place as bulletproof vests with weapons.
Yes, this is not Azov, these are marines. 503rd Marine Battalion, 36th Marine Brigade.

But I can say the same about Ukraine.

Russia is a pariah nation. Ukraine is admired globally.

Don't give a damn.
And "the whole world" – it's loudly said.

Don't give a damn.

You should be deeply ashamed of what your country has done.

@editor

"You should be deeply ashamed of what your country has done."

I deeply concur.

Unfortunately, feeling ashamed is not something that comes easily to Russians. The counterattack instead with more lies and atrocities.

Four other countries voted against the UN condemnation of the Putin's aggression. Four. None of whom's word counts for much. A cryto-theocratic feudal state pretending to be communist, a couple of vanilla dictators and single-party state. Woo' coalition of the free – not so much.

I just heard a an academic professor, not people generally given to being deliberately emotive, liken Russian military behaviour to that of einsatzgruppen.

To see Ukraine is some evil crypto neo-nazi state that's a danger to the free world seems require a good deal of magical thinking.

FWIW I suspect the Azov battalion is probably not exactly functional at the moment. Though it seems notable that no ones claimed Mariupol lost or won.

Mate, I don't swallow any propaganda but I know BS when I see and hear it.

All the stuff you say about Ukraine, where is that documented? Because I know there is enough anti-establishment media in the west that would go gang busters on such claims as you make, and yet I don't recall reading any?

And the Donbas; it was part of Ukraine, so who started the fight there? doesn't matter if you want to be part of a country or not, no-one has the right to invade another, same as South Ossetia and the other Georgian republic.

Your people are not the problem, but your filthy rich and corrupt President and his mates and the absolute lies they peddle are making your country and your people become pariahs.

As one commentator has said, "Russian mothers have TVs for brains."

"Russia is a pariah nation. Ukraine is admired globally."

About Russia not even close

If you are not told about something, it does not mean that it does not exist. These articles only mention relatively well-known people – and this is just the tip of the iceberg. No one will count how many ordinary citizens were killed and disappeared.
But you don't care.

link

link

And I personally have nothing to be ashamed of. I have always been for a reasonable political approach and a balance of interests. Real politics. I believe that the West is to blame for this conflict no less than Russia. Do not drive the opponent into a corner – otherwise he will show fangs.

As for the UN voting, let's see who is against condemning the glorification of Nazism:

17 December, 2021

Well, of course, these are those who use the Nazis and those who train and arm them.

Corprum2,

Go somewhere else a spew your hate and drivel. I have good friends in the Ukraine. The only one to blame for this is Russia plain and simple.

Cuprum2, what corner? This was a war of Russia's making alone.

Comparing the Wikipedia link above "Journalists killed in Ukraine" to the following "Journalists killed in Russia"
link

Ukraine 66 (1991 – 2018)
Russia 200 (1993 – 2009) + 25 (2010 – 2018)

Add to this 18 deaths during the war in Ukraine. Many shot by Russian soldiers. And many more kidnapped by Russian soldiers.
link

Now, what does that suggest about this journalist who is so free to move among the Russian forces?
YouTube link

There are also lists of those critics of the Kremlin killed as well.
link

Russia was afraid of being attacked by Ukraine of course.

The country that gave up all of it's Nuclear arsenal in exchange for guarantee of their sovereignty by Russia (among others).

Oh.. and don't forget the birds filled with chemical weapons. They were afraid of that too.

"Go somewhere else a spew your hate and drivel. I have good friends in the Ukraine. The only one to blame for this is Russia plain and simple."

As I can see Cuprum is the only one here who dont spew hate

Oh.. and as far as the original question.
The Azov headquarters is in Mariupol. Apparently they are in the Azovstal steel plant.

Russian flag planted in the city of Mariupol
YouTube link

(Right across from the Drama theater where Russian forces bombed civilians hiding underneath)

@korsun0 "All the stuff you say about Ukraine, where is that documented?" Mate, why don't research the history of the region yourself? There is a thing called the Internet.

Well, I'll help you out, please read the following (unless your mind is made up and you don't want to read anything that goes against your narrative).

@ Grelber – suggest you read Ikmjbc3's post. Bottom line, the Nazi Azov Battalion will soon cease to exist.

Bill:
Propaganda may true or lies.
I am happy with my sources and understand their prejudices.

The fight in Mariupol is almost over.

Joe Collins

Since Russian forces are so concerned about humanitarian aid for the citizens of Mariupol.. what is stopping them from evacuating the citizens to a safer area away from the Dead Azov regiment?

Shouldn't all of the citizens now be safe from the Azov regiment which has been destroyed?

The fight in Mariupol is almost over.

I've heard some experts say it could go on for weeks.

Russia's problem is finding willing troops to feed into the woodchipper.

The Ukrainians are motivated by patriotism, and in the case of the Azov Bat, knowing they would probably be executed if they surrendered.

Shouldn't all of the citizens now be safe from the Azov regiment which has been destroyed?

Turkey has offered humanitarian evac by ship, but Russia won't agree.

Nicholas Hill
Deputy U.S. Representative for ECOSOC
New York, New York
November 12, 2021

Explanation of Vote at the Third Committee Adoption of the Combating Glorification of Nazism, Neo-Nazism and other Practices that Contribute to Fueling Contemporary Forms of Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance Resolution

AS DELIVERED

Chair – As we mark the end of World War I with Armistice Day, the United States also joins the world community in commemorating the valiant sacrifice, heroism, and years-long struggle of all allied nations in the defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945 to end the Second World War. The United States joins those in the international community in condemning the glorification of Nazism and all forms of racism, xenophobia, discrimination, and intolerance. In fighting against the murderous ideology of Nazism, the United States fought for the freedom, dignity and human rights of all individuals and our steadfast commitment to preserving and protecting fundamental freedoms, including the freedom of expression.

Today, however, the United States must once again express opposition to this resolution, a document most notable for its thinly veiled attempts to legitimize Russian disinformation campaigns denigrating neighboring nations and promoting the distorted Soviet narrative of much of contemporary European history, using the cynical guise of halting Nazi glorification.

The United States Supreme Court has consistently affirmed the constitutional right to freedom of speech and the rights of peaceful assembly and association, including by avowed Nazis, whose hatred and xenophobia are vile and widely scorned by the American people. We nevertheless firmly defend the constitutional rights of those who exercise their fundamental freedoms to combat intolerance and express strong opposition to the odious Nazi creed and others that espouse similar hatreds.

We have again attempted this year to improve this resolution by engaging in negotiations on the draft text. Despite consistently expressing our concerns with the Russian delegation and proposing revisions to improve the text and protect against unacceptable restrictions on freedom of expression, most of these recommendations were ignored. We discourage States from invoking Article 4 of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination and Article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights in order to either silence unwelcome opinions or to excuse their failure to combat intolerance.
For these reasons, the United States has voted against each new version of this resolution since 2005 and is, again, compelled to vote "No" on this resolution, and calls on other States to do the same.

An annual exercise for the "russians" to stir ghosts of Nazis everywhere around them.

But hey just posting the vote totals minus an explanation is pretty typical of Russian disinformation

and yes my name here is Russian – I am not – there is much to admire about Russia and its history…now there there is more to dispise.

War Scopio – Your long quote was removed due to being in violation of forum rules regarding copyright laws.

Claiming the bbc is publishing propoganda?
Oh dear.
Bit desperate that one.

They dug those mass graves?
Faked the civilian bodies who were seemingly tied up and shot through the back of the head?
I suppose they also hacked satellites that recorded images of Russians digging the massed graves.

Censoreship hegins, who is next

In another topic I explained my experience with BBC, during war in Croatia, their work wasn't any wear near truth nor were they independent.

Perun,

Who is claiming that the US and Ukraine have trained Nazi's killing the Ukrainian people is hate pure and simple. Russia attacked a country that gave up it's arms by a treaty signed by multiple parties and Russia signed that they would never attack Ukraine. Atrocities that the Russian's have done against the people should have been dealt with a swift sword. To brainwash the Russian military and people that Ukraine had to be invaded is a crime in itself. There should be many Russian military and government officials hanging from the gallows when this is all over.

"…hanging from the gallows…"
And this is not hate?

Congress passes Emmett Till bill to make lynching hate crime
link

Hanging from the gallows is not lynching if they are tried in a legal manner.

I think we should not go so far as to say that there is no basis for the Azov battalion being called Nazis. If you look at the history of the group it is plain to see that it was there.
I can't say how much it has been cleaned up when they joined the official military and many of the old veterans created a political party (which did not get any representatives elected.)

But to extrapolate that to defining Ukraine as a completely Nazi country is wrong. It is used only as a pretext for the invasion.

Explanation of Vote at the Third Committee Adoption of the Combating Glorification of Nazism, Neo-Nazism and other Practices that Contribute to Fueling Contemporary Forms of Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance Resolution

The sponsors for that resolution make for interesting read.

Perun,

Not even close to lynching. They will be and should be tried in court for their crimes and meet the gallows. Quit defending the crimes.

As a matter of interest, are there currently forums in Russia that are willing to host a debate such as this?

DBDD

So at the end of WW2 the German's said that they had not known what their government had been up to. In retrospect it had been more like they choose to turn a blind eye.