"Biden tells troops they are going to Ukraine?" Topic

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Subject: WATCH: Biden Appears To Tell U.S. Troops They Are Going To Ukraine | The Daily Wire


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Nothing to see here. As I shake my head.

When I was younger we had an uncle Bob that would say stupid stuff all the time. He was the family joke. We wouldn't let him drive either…

Please someone hide the nuclear football from him.

Yeah if it was only your uncle Bob, not guy who gave a billion dollars in military hardware to the Taliban.

It was said that we were safer with Reagan because his cowboy persona MAY have been an act, and the Soviet leaders didn't know what to make of him. Doubt cretaes variables in strategic calculations.

Perhaps Putin understands that nothing Biden says should be taken seriously. So, no problem, right? RIGHT??

Well Skipper, I don't think they let Joe drive either. 😉

Maybe Biden is assuming that sooner or later NATO troops will be in there helping to clean up and act as peacekeepers after the Russians pull out. Just a thought.

So which is it?

"Sanctions never deter. You keep talking about that. Sanctions never deter. . . but for the remainder of this entire year. That's what will stop him."

Good thing this guy is in charge.

Doc: I heard the same thing with Ike. Dulles. The Soviets would get the fire talk from him but then Ike would do a "oh that's not what he meant" response to the press.

Is there a longer clip with the context of what he was saying? That clip is so painfully short we can draw no conclusions about what Biden is actually saying. If I had to guess, it seems edited/cut to get people enraged.

Go to ABC if you want. He said it. They are trying to spin it currently.

I don't editing is the problem here. In fact, it might have been edited as a favor to him. The more he talks, the less coherent he becomes.

Meh…

It's sort of like back when SNL made fun of Gerald Ford for tripping. Unfortunately, old President Biden has a few traits now that will leave you scratching your head. Sort of like telling you the same joke every time you see him that he thinks he hasn't told you yet. Just smile, nod your head and laugh at the appropriate points and move along. I just wonder when we'll get a silver alert because he's done driven off in a car.

White House has clarified that US troops are not going to Ukraine.

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I know most think: "That's old Joe, just another senior moment", (yes I'm being nice). But in Russia this can be much more serious. This sound byte can and I'm sure is, being used for Russian propaganda purposes. Putin can use it to say: "see my brothers, NATO and the Capitalists are planning on moving in and controlling the Ukraine. Putting missiles next to mother Russia! I was right to protect the Motherland!". It may sound silly, but you cannot say things like this, especially when you are on the stage in Poland no less.

We had all better start learning Chinese……

He gets an awful lot of stuff wrong.

Perhaps he meant Iran, since he has confused Ukrainians for Iranians fairly recently.

Then again, perhaps he meant Taiwan, which would be a good thing.

Yes, another slip of the tongue, which seems to happen often.

Biden is doing what old men do. He stumbles over words, forgets information and says things that they really didn't mean because they said it wrong. This is what you get when you elect a man who is nearly 80 yrs old. Most people would have retired 10-15 years ago. We decide to award Biden with the most stressful job in the world.

Double-meh.

> "Putin can use it to say: "see my brothers, NATO and the Capitalists are planning on moving in and controlling the Ukraine."

I doubt Putin would use that exact wording, seeing as he considers himself a capitalist, Russia is no longer the Soviet Union, and they have denounced Communism as a dead end. Russia is now a form of capitalism, of the undemocratic form.

This may sound like a minor thing, but I see many making this mistake. We can no longer chalk this up to Communism! This isn't the Cold War anymore.

Joe Biden says a lot of stupid things, and only some of them are intentional. This is another one of them I think. My interpretation was the troops would see refugees from Ukraine in Poland and understand the devastation of war. Even if that is what he intended it's not very helpful.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek

The White House has tried to retract the troops in the Ukraine statement. They are also trying to retract The President's comments about food shortages in the US. Retractions of dangerous statements, seem to be the new daily modus operandi of this White House. I am not sure how people keep writing these frequent "mistakes" off, as they happen more and more often. There is a pattern.

Biden is doing what old men do. He stumbles over words, forgets information and says things that they really didn't mean because they said it wrong. This is what you get when you elect a man who is nearly 80 yrs old. Most people would have retired 10-15 years ago. We decide to award Biden with the most stressful job in the world.

All very true, IMO. And of course not all voted for him. That is the way democracy works.

Regardless, based on all we saw in about the last 18-24 months. And history will probably report this as well … that was not the "best" choice … Was not the "Right Stuff" …

'nuff said … That being said by an too i.e. me !

This isn't the Cold War anymore.

Well it morphed a bit, IMO the Cold War was never really over. It took a 20 year or so break, like between WWI & WWII … So IMO this is "Cold War 2.0". With some of the players switching sides, etc.

Surely a secret deal makes no sense here or anywhere else.

35th, think I detected a pattern in the last admin as well, tried to block it out and support some of the policy. The irony of all of this now is pretty clear to me. You cannot have it both ways, IMO.

For example. No one here has ever responded to my post about the "George Washington's army secured the airports" speech, heard by us all. I ended up in the DH, so maybe you just missed it. I found this to be a real concern however. Also a president who raised unique worries with tweets was a new thing , we were baffled on a regular basis.

I agree with the concerns expressed here, but this latest gaffe is way more of a stretch. The word "see" is often used to mean " understand". See the difference? This clip went right by me as I looked for the big stumble. But in general, he was not well spoken and this is far from the first time.

The cognitive/mental health of a president can be hard to establish. We have been here before with others. We need to take our VP choices seriously. This has me worried as well.

I am hoping that somewhere, some as yet unknown young American is waiting in the wings to step up and lead the UNITED States.

Surely a secret deal makes no sense here or anywhere else

Hyperbole ? Conspiracy theory ? An episode on "The West Wing" that never aired ?

George Washington's army secured the airports" during the revolution remark.

Well it is common knowledge …

Biden just blurted that out.

Watched a video on Russian Generals killed, mentions Americans there, so observers or advisors possibly but has Joe let the cat out of the bag?

Its pretty clear Ukraine is getting real-time intelligence from somewhere. Though it has be said that includes private companies who've apparently been passing them their satellite imagery gratis. I'd also say that some of the early recorded mobile phone conversations were intercepted by a UK contractor and passed to the media. The strike on the Ukrainian base housing foreign volunteers supposedly killed 3 former British soldiers of which nothing more has been said.

And as for Biden at least he hasn't managed to deliberately insult the Ukrainian people. Frankly he still sounds more coherent than a lot of our media-consultant operated robot politicians half his age.

NATO leaders seem almost relieved to see POTUS this week.

I think we are all going to believe what we want as far as the administrations, both current and past. I don't believe either side will change their minds. We are all a product of our times, my values changed permanently during the Carter disaster and then the Reagan reclamation. Agree, disagree, does not matter, just my perspective. You are welcome to yours.

Yes 35th as long as we keep talking. And… I do believe there is a middle ground. My issues with the extreme left give me nightmares. I understand the extreme right better, but cannot live there. But we are not having any success in finding even one thing that both of those groups could unite on.

This is not new, but I think tech and media amplify emotions, spread good and bad info, and we have not learned how to deal with it.

And yet a 3rd in 3 days. Although I Sort of agree with him on this one. I guess he isn't running the show.

Subject: White House Rushes To Clean Up Disastrous Remarks Biden Made About Putin During Speech


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There is a reason his handlers try to keep him from answering press questions.

Well, he spoke his mind and said something a lot of people are thinking. He can't win no matter what he says anyway.
We seem to have yet another leader whose remarks need "clarification" more often than we might like. He never did like Putin.

The Constitution has always had a minimum age limit for the Presidency. What it needs is a maximum age limit.

@Tortorella

He can't win precisely BECAUSE of what he says, and for good reason.

It is nerve wracking to watch him speak, he does let fly and he does not care what Putin thinks. But at least he can talk about other people besides himself.

I am elderly and I like vanilla as long as it's soft serve. I really like those waffle cones, but have to remember my teeth. I am retired and play with toy soldiers at home, where I also write silly comments on TMP and enjoy a baked potato sometimes.

"The Constitution has always had a minimum age limit for the Presidency. What it needs is a maximum age limit".

Agreed.

No way. Far too arbitrary. Life expectancy has more than doubled in the US since the Constitution was written. It will likely continue to grow. Can you imagine Reagan supporting this?

The question really is competence and fitness for office, regardless of age, which is an individual progression as far as fitness goes.

"The question really is competence and fitness for office, regardless of age, which is an individual progression as far as fitness goes."

Many people, on personal reflection, would argue that suggestion could/would have ruled out several incumbents in recent decades.

Agreed. But it is in the Constitution and upper level age limit is not.

I think this boils down to: Is this a pattern? or are these all gaffs?

In 3 days they have had to walk back his 1) Troops going to Ukraine 2) we would respond in kind if Russia uses chemical weapons 3) Putin must be removed from power.

Now if you believe gaffs, how did you respond to things said by the previous President?

My two pence

1. Probably gaff
2. Is deliberate. Subtext 'you use WMD we stop pretending its 'defensive' weapons only'. Obviously you don't tell Putin what the consequences are upfront so he can't cost them in…
3. Deliberate, yes, calculated possibly? Remember what Putin is effectively the Russian state what he says 'is'. The POTUS is only the POTUS, and the organs of the US government have already rowed back, a shade bad cop, good cop? Putin could start insulting the current incumbent – which might not have the affect he wants. The comments have also flushed out some of the waverers in Europe – Zelensky is probably quite reasonably saying we are too scarred of Russia. But obviously this isn't 1939 and Putin has a nuclear deterrent. On a personal note saying Putin has to go is a statement of the bleedin' obvious. Though noting the previous sentence!

Agree ROU. POTUS never liked this guy and he's right about him. I keep saying there is a plan, and we just have to live with the fact that he and his staff are not going to blurt out next steps and intel to us all the time.

35th – There were times when the criticism was unfair or the personality got in the way when speaking. Tweets were a mistake IMO, not well informed sometimes and time consuming. I let more than a few gaffs pass, he was just being himself. Same with Biden. We need to stop beating these guys up and look ahead for minute or two if we can.

mentions Americans there, so observers or advisors possibly but has Joe let the cat out of the bag?

The US had SF, CIA and Army, etc., "Advisors" there since 2015. To help the Ukrainian Force to not have Putin's 2104 Crimea land grab happen all over again.

We had SF and Army NGs and probably others(CIA) there training the Ukrainians up until a few week before the invasion. Looks like training and motivation + weapons supply paid off. Does any one doubt the CIA, maybe Delta, SF does no have assets still in the Ukraine ?

That being said I didn't see the footage where Americans were on the ground there. But I wouldn't doubt it.

As far as letting the cat out of the bag … that has happen long before.

Also does anyone doubt that Russian operative did not cross our open Southern Border? IIRC reports are they already have. Just like in Mad Magazine – "Spy vs. Spy" …

NATO leaders seem almost relieved to see POTUS this week.

Possibly … No matter, NATO is looking for strong decisive leadership. Not weak, leading from behind, timid etc. The French & Germans are leading from the front. Someone has to.

'nuff said …

I have to disagree Legion. Without this POTUS we would not be in NATO by now. The Germans are very late to the party, very minimal presence and no deterrence value. France does better, but it is the US that beefed up the NATO borders first. It was POTUS who got Merkel to hold off on approving Nordstream 2. Etc.

Not good on Iran and Yemen, not good in Afghanistan, but I am giving him a decent grade here so far. The remarks about defending NATO territory and Putin are clear and have impact. He said about Putin what a lot of us are thinking. I don't hear Macron saying these things. Or anyone else. And I don't hear much back from Putin.

Agree to disagree …

As we sometimes do like the gentlemen we are! 👍

"The question really is competence and fitness for office…".

Sadly, there is no test for that, since if there was the current guy would have been disqualified in the prelims to the election.

"I have to disagree Legion. Without this POTUS we would not be in NATO by now".

That assertion is just silly AND wrong.

The last guy was just trying to hold Germany's and the rest of NATO's feet to the fire to get them to pay for the defense percentages they agreed too. He threatened them in order to get them to move off their duffs, and in some cases it worked. Sadly, in others it did not.

IIRC, only Greece and Poland, I think, along with perhaps a few of the smaller Baltic States, were paying anywhere near the percentage on defense they committed to when signing on to NATO. Much, if not most of that is still not even for defense equipment, but goes to salaries and benefits for the troops of various nations.

Sadly, the previous guy has been proved right, and yet Germany still is not meeting its commitment now, even after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but claims it will raise spending in the future. They've made a lot of promises in the past too, but haven't kept them for decades, e.g since the end of the Cold War.

Our previous leader also warned the Germans and the rest of the EU about getting cozy with Russia on energy, while also making America energy dependent for the first time in 75+ years, AND has been proved right.

Sadly, the current guy nixed that, and is begging our enemies to pump more oil to lower prices, without success, e.g. Iran, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, etc., etc. Heck, the Saudis won't even take his phone calls, nor will the Russians in many cases – defense hotline.

I agree with our previous leader – if the Germans and others aren't willing to pay for their own defense, why should Americans bail them out.

If you don't pay your home or vehicle insurance policies, then you can't expect to have coverage when an incident occurs.

Sadly, the current guy talks big, but then he and his people have to walk that back. He's now said he is NOT for regime change, after calling for just that the previous day. Clearly, Putin has his number and knows he is not a person to be taken seriously.