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smacdowall Supporting Member of TMP27 Feb 2022 11:17 a.m. PST

King Henry XVIII's invasion of France left England vulnerable. King James IV of Scotland exploited this when France sought his assistance in support of the war against the English. King James the ideal Renaissance Prince stood by the Auld Alliance and invaded England. It did not go well for the Scots. At Flodden (Sept 1513) the Scottish army was destroyed and King James along with much of the Scottish nobility were killed.

Using Tree of Battles rules link
we re-fought the battle with 28mm miniatures for an historical result.

legio-wargames.com/blog

rampantlion27 Feb 2022 11:23 a.m. PST

That is a nice looking game! I keep flirting with Flodden in 28mm but only have about 50 figures for it. What figures lines did you use for the armies?

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP27 Feb 2022 11:48 a.m. PST

I agree, good looking game. Coming from Cheshire, I would have been happier seeing Lord Stanley's flanking move crushing the Scots right!!!

Grattan54 Supporting Member of TMP27 Feb 2022 11:54 a.m. PST

Weren't the Scots going up hill towards the English or am I mistaken?

Personal logo Herkybird Supporting Member of TMP27 Feb 2022 1:07 p.m. PST

Indeed, having visited Flodden field on several occasions, its quite a steep climb from the marshy beck, though shallower than the hill the Scots descended.

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GildasFacit Sponsoring Member of TMP27 Feb 2022 1:23 p.m. PST

Surely Henry was the Eighth, not the Eighteenth – otherwise the song wouldn't rhyme.

BillyNM27 Feb 2022 1:30 p.m. PST

From the QRS, those 'Tree of Battles' rules look awfully like the AWI set 'Loose Files and American Scramble', although obviously with some weapon modifications…

smacdowall Supporting Member of TMP28 Feb 2022 2:15 a.m. PST

Yes indeed many of the rule mechanisms were derived from Andy Callan's Loose Files rules. Not sure how Henry got promoted from VIII to XVIII!

smacdowall Supporting Member of TMP28 Feb 2022 2:18 a.m. PST

Figures were quite a mix. Mostly Perry for the English with a few Assault Group. Steel Fist Miniatures also supplied some more suitable early 16th C figures.I am less certain about the Scots as I did not paint them

Cambria562228 Feb 2022 5:26 a.m. PST

Scots figures are from a very eclectic group of manufacturers and ranges, few specifically-designed for the period but look right due to the painting and a bit of conversion – or just by being hidden in a mass! Figures used include:
Antediluvian – Scots spearmen and highlanders
Perry Plastic – WotR Mercenaries, Men-at-Arms, and Agincourt French.
Perry Metal – WotR Irish & Galloglass, Halberdiers/Pikemen from 'European Armies' and some others
Steel Fist – Tudor 'dollies' to create the most fashionable Lords & Knights
Pete's Flags – a range specifically for the period that was released as we were finishing up our contingents.

Cambria562228 Feb 2022 5:39 a.m. PST

"Weren't the Scots going up hill towards the English or am I mistaken?"

In our game, and in the historical accounts, the Scots descended from Branxton ridge to attack the English. In some of the accounts I've read, the English counter-attacked when they realised the Scots pike blocks (at least the left-centre and centre battles) were being disrupted by the unexpectedly difficult-going of the 'marshy dip' and therefore descended from their ridge to meet them. This was not totally replicated in our battle partly due to limited command & control, with leaders only being able to guarantee control of their units within a limited command span within the rules.

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