"Warhammer 40K Apocalypse is a good proxy to Epic?" Topic

There are many things to consider:
- rules – I think they are quite good
- free unit cards (datasheets) for all GW & FW miniatures – and here comes a big problem: many units, less miniatures available (for 40K and even more for Epic) – basically you have to figure what Epic miniatures could work for 40K miniatures (to use with Apocalypse cards) and what other miniatures could work for both Epic (which now are hard to find or expensive) and 40K. Also, I think some units never had their own 40K miniature, they only appeared in books.
- big chance to have a good picture of all the factions and their capabilities, again with all the cards available.
Have you tried the (sort of) new Warhammer 40K Apocalypse? What do you think?

As a long time Epic and 40K player, I don't think Apocalypse comes close to a proxy.

Apocalypse is a mechanism to organize and use all of a person's 40K models within the 40K rule structure. When a collection is on the table, the scale looks magnificent because of the volume of models, but there is little room for maneuver beyond pushing models forward or backwards.

Epic allows for a grand scale with plenty of opportunity to create more true to life tactical maneuvers. Titans are more viable due to the lower cost opportunity compared with their 40K counterparts.

Epic is always my first choice. Faster play, simpler rules, and less tedium than a 40K game.

Yes it works. I've used it with my epic stuff and 40k minis. Too crowded with the 30mm stuff. But if you use cm instead of inches with your 6mm stuff a 4x6 table suddenly has manuever room.

Played both. IMHO Epic Armageddon is the way to go for a more enjoyable game.

Played both, Epic (pref Armageddon) is by far the better system. If you have the 28mm armies and the space you could play epic in 28mm. Apolcalypse is slow with big armies but it is designed for big armies. It does have something in common with Epic 40K, the last but one and least successful epic incarnation.

Thank you!
@Eggy Sheggy – I, myself, wonder how can you play with W40K lots of miniatures side by side in a tight space. I've seen photos, you can adjust the table size, but looks cartoony. That is why I play with 6mm miniatures.

@D6 Junkie – cm instead of inches is a good variant also for 6mm if you want more maneuvering and have many ranged fire units.

@Calico Bill & gbowen – many prefer Armageddon. I will give it another try, but I will try also the Space Marines 1 & 2.