| RogerC | 30 Jan 2022 4:53 a.m. PST |
A couple of weeks back we playtested James Morris's Midgard rules with North European Bronze Age figures, cracking game, write up and some pictures here:
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| RogerC | 30 Jan 2022 5:03 a.m. PST |
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| RogerC | 30 Jan 2022 5:04 a.m. PST |
Really not gettign the hang of pasting pictures up sorry, blogger images for soem reason have a slightly different address and wont work when I copy them in. |
| 4DJones | 30 Jan 2022 5:38 a.m. PST |
Is there any evidence of military training and discipline and troop formations in the Bronze Age? I ask because otherwise I can't see why frontage should be important in the rules. |
| RogerC | 30 Jan 2022 5:44 a.m. PST |
There is evidence yes, most of the European and Mediterean used formations with long spears which would have required soem level of formation training and discipline. That said if formations are not at least a similar frontage how do we consider how many different formations might contact other ones from a wargaming perspective? Either way enjoyable rules. |
Frederick  | 30 Jan 2022 10:01 a.m. PST |
There is archeological evidence that the armies of Sumer and Ur consisted of a relatively small number of elite soldiers – sort of "Royal Guard" – with a much larger number of conscripts armed with spears who served for a set period of time; as noted, it would be likely that they would have been trained in the use of them. There is some more recent work suggesting that you can train conscripts who do what they're told to use spears in formation relatively quickly – and those ancient peasants likely knew to do what they were told! Cuneiform Digital Library Journal 2009:5
<http://www.cdli.ucla.edu/pubs/cdlj/2009/cdlj2009_005.html>
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Version: 21 October 2009 |
| 4DJones | 30 Jan 2022 11:39 a.m. PST |
I should have been more precise: I was thinking of North European Bronze Age peoples. |
| RogerC | 30 Jan 2022 3:01 p.m. PST |
I get that, but even with North European the main warbands are using the long spear in the same way as the Greeks and Trojans, the Warrior elite would I asusme also be well trained. Ecavations at Tolenz found warriors who had travelled from all over Europe to fight a huge battle near the Baltic which speaks of organisation and drive if nothign else, this isnt just inter triabl raising. Taking all that aside I dont see why having a common frontage to units would be anything other thana benefit. |
| Grelber | 30 Jan 2022 5:15 p.m. PST |
Looks like a potentially interesting game! Grelber |
| 4DJones | 31 Jan 2022 1:00 a.m. PST |
Many thanks for the info. |
| RogerC | 31 Jan 2022 11:31 a.m. PST |
Pleasure guys, thanks for the interest. |
gets his DNA results, and starts thinking about wargaming.