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ciaphas14 Jan 2022 6:51 a.m. PST

I believe to complete the army I require
All batalions are 32 figures on an 8 figure per base, over 4 bases.
8 Battalions of Line infantry (do these have light companies and Grenadiers)?
2 Light battalions
2 Jaeger battalions
2 Chevauxleger regiments
2 Horse Jaeger regiments (what figures do I use)
1 Hussar regiment
2 6lb foot batteries
1 12lb foot battery
1 6lb horse battery
are the artillery 2 or 4 guns?

front rank do Dragoons,I asume these are for later than the 1809 period I am looking at?

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2022 7:52 a.m. PST

What year? By 1809 all line infantry were 2 battalions. The 1st battalion of each line regiment had a grenadier company and 3 musketeer companies, while the 2nd battalion was composed of 4 musketeer companies.

If memory serves, artillery was somewhere around 8 pieces per battery and was a mix of 6pdr field pieces and some howitzers. The heavy battery had 12pdrs and some howitzers (I believe). Again, the year makes a difference for battery composition.

It is a fun army to make as it is relatively small, but the entire army never fought together as a "unit."

Personal logo Dye4minis Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2022 1:09 p.m. PST

Good and accurate information sometimes costs but when such questions arise, it is probably worth it! The answers to all the topics discussed above with regards to Wurttemberg during the Napoleonic Wars can be found in two volumes by David Wright, (Ken Trotman "Military Colors" series MC-004 and MC-005). I got both of mine from On Military Matters in the USA. I am currently doing Wurttemberg in 10mm myself and had similar (but more) questions which I found answers for in those two volumes. Joe- They did fight together as a "Unit" in 1812 but in all cases, units remained behind to protect the home state. I chose this nation to do as I lived there for over 7 years and developed an affinity for the people, location and legacy of the area. Hope this helps somewhat by giving the serious gamer a place to look at.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2022 1:51 p.m. PST

I meant that the entire army – though small -- was never all on the field together at once.

Personal logo SHaT1984 Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2022 3:06 p.m. PST

Rawkins, Funcken, Osprey and others will help.

Hardly needs expensive tomes and resources when such a basic question is asked- if the nature of the 'army' (wasn't really one) and its 'use' is not understood then no amount of hyper-accuracy is required.

Yes era is important as 'allies' and masters tended to influence uniform and fashion, ie modernisation came to town, sometimes.

cheers dave

nsolomon9914 Jan 2022 5:39 p.m. PST

They were a great force in 1809, fought really well. The battle of Linz was almost entirely Wurttemburger's vs Austrians, with just a dash of Saxon cavalry thrown in at the end.

Personal logo Dye4minis Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2022 7:07 p.m. PST

"I meant that the entire army – though small -- was never all on the field together at once." Neither was the French, British, Austrians, etc. In 1809, in Austria and Bavaria as the VIII corps under Vandamme, 14 battalions, 4 cav regiments and 3 batteries I would not call small/ In addition Vorarlberg there were 11 battalions, 1 cav regiment and 1 battery. Not too shabby for a "small" army!

"Hardly needs expensive tomes and resources when such a basic question is asked- if the nature of the 'army' (wasn't really one) and its 'use' is not understood then no amount of hyper-accuracy is required."

"2 6lb foot batteries
1 12lb foot battery
1 6lb horse battery
are the artillery 2 or 4 guns?"

No. Wurttemberg Batteries consisted of 6-8 guns- 2 usually were howitzers.

Some of what the OP requested aren't exactly one sentence answers. (Rawkins- an excellent source- is not currently available.) As for the extent of detail, I think the OP is the determining factor- not someone making such assumptions as his questions being basic.

How come when someone asks questions here someone feels the need to criticize those who try to help?

ciaphas15 Jan 2022 7:57 a.m. PST

Thanks.

I was looking at Vandamme's VIII Corp. Which I why I was surprised to find Dragoons and the mounted Jäger.

In 28mm what figures do I use for the mounted Jäger? I am useing Front Rank so something of similar heft.

I am using General de Brigade and the question relating to battery size was in refference to that. 2 guns (on the table) per actual battery.

cheers
jon

I have ordered the books from Ken Trotman

Personal logo Dye4minis Supporting Member of TMP15 Jan 2022 1:36 p.m. PST

From Rawkins: I cut and pasted here some details that might help you make figure decision. I do them in 10mm so am not familiar with 28mm suggestions. The illustrations look very close to Bavarian in helmet- Austrian Shako in later dates. Am pretty sure you will find the books exactly what you need (vice figure suggestions).

THE JÄGER ZU PFERD REGIMENTS
HEADGEAR The earliest style of headwear worn by the Jäger zu Pferd
Regiments was a black leather raupenhelm very similar to the infantry pattern
helmet which was issued to both regiments in 1806. The helmet had a
wooden, leather covered combe with a mid-green wool raupe, or caterpillar
crest. The front edge of the combe was trimmed with white metal and the
front of the helmet was decorated with a crowned oval plate embossed with
the Württemberg coat of arms. A narrow plate with scrolled tips trimmed the
front of the helmet above the peak which was black leather with white metal
trim. The plain black leather chin-strap was fitted with a plain round white
metal boss. The 1806 pattern raupenhelm was worn by at least some
squadrons of the Jägerregiment zu Pferd ‘König' until 1811.

also interesting: Colour Note: The actual colour of the coat has been shown in various illustrations as
varying from dark green to a much paler colour and unfortunately some of the usually
reliable illustrations in the 1807 Ebner collection have suffered from chemical reaction over
the years and depict the colour as being a deep turquoise. After comparing surviving
samples of actual uniforms the best colour match today is probably BS381C 218 Grass
Green, from the British Standard colour palette.

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