Joe Legan | 13 Jan 2022 8:11 p.m. PST |
Looking to purchase a battalion level game and these 2 have caught my eye. Thoughts as to which is more fun? Easier solitaire? easier to expand into modern day conflicts? Thanks Joe |
Prince Alberts Revenge | 13 Jan 2022 8:30 p.m. PST |
I could be mistaken but they are different levels of play. Rommel is grid based and IIRC each base represents a company. Rommel is probably more of a board game with miniatures. I believe O Group each player controls a force about the size of a battalion. I imagine it's mechanics are more in line with the other TFL rule sets. I own Rommel and never played it (plan to at some point) but don't own O Group, so can't speak to specifics. |
nsolomon99 | 13 Jan 2022 8:32 p.m. PST |
Ummmm …. yes, O Group is a battalion level rules set but I don't believe Rommel is! I could be wrong but my understanding is that Rommel is a higher level game where you typically command Divisions and Corps. I've not seen Rommel used for battalion level gaming. |
Martin Rapier | 14 Jan 2022 12:31 a.m. PST |
Rommel uses company sized elements grouped into battalion and regimental sized manouvre units. O Group uses section sized elements grouped into platoon and company sized manouvre units. You can obviously use the same toys for both, but they are very different levels of game. |
pfmodel | 14 Jan 2022 3:23 a.m. PST |
There is not much in that scale, assuming you are talking about 1 element equals one battalion. This is a list of 1 element equals a company scale rules; youtu.be/XsqxziRMG2M This is a list of battalion scale rules, KISS is in this list; youtu.be/uj9JtHUyWSQ This is a very short list of regiments cale rules youtu.be/bFcM8mm3WWI I am not very familiar with O group, KISS is an area movement set of rules. It works and is very simple. If you are talking about commanding a battalion, then that feels like skirmish scale. youtu.be/VeP5J7wEvSk |
Dexter Ward | 14 Jan 2022 3:28 a.m. PST |
Rommel has one base per company, and 1km squares. O group has 1 base per squad; it is at the same scale as Battlefront:WW2, and is a bit more complex (and slower to play) than those rules |
Joe Legan | 14 Jan 2022 8:01 a.m. PST |
Looks like I missed that Rommel was company based [ each element is a company]; I apologize. I was looking for a game where you are commanding at the battalion level and your elements are squads/platoons. Both of the games looked interesting. Thanks for all the information. So criteria still stand. Ease of solitaire play and ability to morph into modern conflict. O group reasonable? I realize rules are very subjective; looking for opinions. Thanks Joe |
Extra Crispy | 14 Jan 2022 8:02 a.m. PST |
And we're back to the old confusion around what "battalion level" means? 1) Each side is a battalion in size, no more 2) A maneuver element is a battalion, made up of multiple elements 3) A stand is a battalion |
Joe Legan | 14 Jan 2022 9:19 a.m. PST |
Agreed, I was not clear. It is similar to what defines a skirmish game. Sorry for the confusion. Joe |
advocate | 14 Jan 2022 9:56 a.m. PST |
I haven't played O Group face to face, but I've had a couple of goes solo, and I like it so far. Plays OK on a 6*4 table, and there is a 1940 France scenario book (pdf) out now. There is a fair degree of interaction in a turn, and each side has to decide how many orders to use in reaction to the enemy, and how many to save/use in their own phase. Using Command orders is another set of decisions which I guess I'd rather have taken by an actual player, but I guess it would be quite possible to create a basic AI to resolve it, if you felt it were an issue. |
Martin Rapier | 15 Jan 2022 12:27 a.m. PST |
I've sat through the various uTube tutorials etc for O Group, and Tbh, it doesn't grab me at all. If you want a good feel for running a battalion, Command Decision (still) works very well. |
Joe Legan | 16 Jan 2022 9:34 a.m. PST |
Thank you both for your thoughts. You have helped crystallize what I am looking for. Will start a new thread. Thanks Joe |
Bashytubits | 17 Jan 2022 11:38 a.m. PST |
Little wars tv did the Normandy landings with Rommel in their club and posted a video on the internet, it gives a great idea of what can be done as well as being tremendous eye candy. YouTube link I think I am with Martin in that Command Decision is a solid choice. I have done many battles with it in the past and it works quite well. |
greenknight4 | 18 Feb 2022 7:32 a.m. PST |
FWIW I agree with Martin as well. |
FlyXwire | 18 Feb 2022 11:28 a.m. PST |
Agreed. (the two rules sets here are for different levels of battle) |