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Joe Legan Supporting Member of TMP13 Jan 2022 7:11 p.m. PST

Looking to purchase a battalion level game and these 2 have caught my eye. Thoughts as to which is more fun? Easier solitaire? easier to expand into modern day conflicts?

Thanks

Joe

Prince Alberts Revenge13 Jan 2022 7:30 p.m. PST

I could be mistaken but they are different levels of play. Rommel is grid based and IIRC each base represents a company. Rommel is probably more of a board game with miniatures.

I believe O Group each player controls a force about the size of a battalion. I imagine it's mechanics are more in line with the other TFL rule sets. I own Rommel and never played it (plan to at some point) but don't own O Group, so can't speak to specifics.

nsolomon9913 Jan 2022 7:32 p.m. PST

Ummmm …. yes, O Group is a battalion level rules set but I don't believe Rommel is! I could be wrong but my understanding is that Rommel is a higher level game where you typically command Divisions and Corps. I've not seen Rommel used for battalion level gaming.

Martin Rapier13 Jan 2022 11:31 p.m. PST

Rommel uses company sized elements grouped into battalion and regimental sized manouvre units.

O Group uses section sized elements grouped into platoon and company sized manouvre units.

You can obviously use the same toys for both, but they are very different levels of game.

pfmodel14 Jan 2022 2:23 a.m. PST

There is not much in that scale, assuming you are talking about 1 element equals one battalion. This is a list of 1 element equals a company scale rules;
youtu.be/XsqxziRMG2M
This is a list of battalion scale rules, KISS is in this list;
youtu.be/uj9JtHUyWSQ
This is a very short list of regiments cale rules
youtu.be/bFcM8mm3WWI
I am not very familiar with O group, KISS is an area movement set of rules. It works and is very simple.

If you are talking about commanding a battalion, then that feels like skirmish scale.
youtu.be/VeP5J7wEvSk

Dexter Ward14 Jan 2022 2:28 a.m. PST

Rommel has one base per company, and 1km squares. O group has 1 base per squad; it is at the same scale as Battlefront:WW2, and is a bit more complex (and slower to play) than those rules

Joe Legan Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2022 7:01 a.m. PST

Looks like I missed that Rommel was company based [ each element is a company]; I apologize. I was looking for a game where you are commanding at the battalion level and your elements are squads/platoons. Both of the games looked interesting.
Thanks for all the information. So criteria still stand. Ease of solitaire play and ability to morph into modern conflict. O group reasonable? I realize rules are very subjective; looking for opinions.

Thanks

Joe

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP14 Jan 2022 7:02 a.m. PST

And we're back to the old confusion around what "battalion level" means?

1) Each side is a battalion in size, no more
2) A maneuver element is a battalion, made up of multiple elements
3) A stand is a battalion

Joe Legan Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2022 8:19 a.m. PST

Agreed, I was not clear. It is similar to what defines a skirmish game.
Sorry for the confusion.

Joe

advocate14 Jan 2022 8:56 a.m. PST

I haven't played O Group face to face, but I've had a couple of goes solo, and I like it so far. Plays OK on a 6*4 table, and there is a 1940 France scenario book (pdf) out now.
There is a fair degree of interaction in a turn, and each side has to decide how many orders to use in reaction to the enemy, and how many to save/use in their own phase. Using Command orders is another set of decisions which I guess I'd rather have taken by an actual player, but I guess it would be quite possible to create a basic AI to resolve it, if you felt it were an issue.

Martin Rapier14 Jan 2022 11:27 p.m. PST

I've sat through the various uTube tutorials etc for O Group, and Tbh, it doesn't grab me at all. If you want a good feel for running a battalion, Command Decision (still) works very well.

Joe Legan Supporting Member of TMP16 Jan 2022 8:34 a.m. PST

Thank you both for your thoughts. You have helped crystallize what I am looking for. Will start a new thread.

Thanks

Joe

Personal logo Bashytubits Supporting Member of TMP17 Jan 2022 10:38 a.m. PST

Little wars tv did the Normandy landings with Rommel in their club and posted a video on the internet, it gives a great idea of what can be done as well as being tremendous eye candy.
YouTube link
I think I am with Martin in that Command Decision is a solid choice. I have done many battles with it in the past and it works quite well.

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