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Simon the Squirrel13 Jan 2022 5:49 p.m. PST

Looking to field some battalion guns with my Great Northern War armies. Am I correct in thinking these are galloper guns? Would Sweden and Russia use the same type of battalion gun?

Extrabio1947 Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2022 6:10 a.m. PST

The Russians had a very unique, split-trail, three pounder that included two small mortars, one mounted on each side of the barrel.

This battalion gun lasted through the SYW.

Good luck finding one, though. Other than an obscure maker in Russia that makes them in resin, I don't know of anybody else who makes them. It's really a shame, as it's a very striking gun, and would be fun to field in games.

hornblaeser14 Jan 2022 9:18 a.m. PST

The swedes used in 1712 a very special battallion gun which i havent seen in models.

Swampking14 Jan 2022 12:00 p.m. PST

Simon,

What scale? You need to include that in your questions if you remember.

If it's 15mm, then you have a choice of galloper/battalion guns. Other scales I don't know anything about.

Hornblaeser is right about the Swedish battalion gun of 1712, although I don't think too many people know that. Therefore, I would use any 3pdr. model that you think suits.

The Russian gun is strange and would be fun in games but most gamers I know use normal 3pdrs. for the Russians.

Simon the Squirrel14 Jan 2022 12:44 p.m. PST

Sorry, 28mm… so the light gun from either Warfare or Ebor would be OK?

Travellera14 Jan 2022 2:45 p.m. PST

Here are some images of Swedish 3lb guns from early 18th century

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Simon the Squirrel14 Jan 2022 4:34 p.m. PST

Great, lovely photos!

Simon the Squirrel14 Jan 2022 5:23 p.m. PST

I found a picture of a split-trail Russian gun a couple of weeks back:

picture

Extrabio1947 Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2022 7:02 p.m. PST

Beautiful picture. If you look around the 11:00 position between the wheel spokes, you will see the small mortar mounted on the carriage. Another was on the other side.

Simon the Squirrel14 Jan 2022 7:07 p.m. PST

Do you think the French "Swedish" 4-pdr light cannon would do as a proxy for the Swedish 3-pdr? Elite Miniatures do one, as do Fife and Drum in North America:

link

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Travellera15 Jan 2022 2:42 a.m. PST

I think they both look good. Need some myself as well :)

Stoppage15 Jan 2022 4:51 a.m. PST

Do we think that the Russian mortars would project canister or grenades?

Extrabio1947 Supporting Member of TMP15 Jan 2022 6:00 a.m. PST

I don't know about the Elite model, but I do have a number of the F&D models, and I think they would work fine. It's a 4-pounder, so it will be a bit bigger than the 3-pound gun in your wonderful pictures, but not too much so.* It's a beautiful model, nicely detailed, and cleanly cast

*I'm getting a sense of scale for the Swedish gun by looking at the 2x4 lumber pieces in the top photo.

Simon the Squirrel15 Jan 2022 9:08 a.m. PST

Hinchcliffe make a 3-pdr for the AWI that looks similar to the Russian gun:

link

hornblaeser15 Jan 2022 2:14 p.m. PST

Hi
I havent found any illustrations, of the exact gun but this picture at the bottom with the 1747 carriage would be correct. You shoul image 3 persons with pushing a stave on each side of the wheel and the end of the gun. It was pushed forward at a marching rate, with the front pointing to the enemy. This gives a shot perhaps every minute, and had a distinct influence on the oppostion. It was morally very effective. The danish general after Gadebusch said it was the primary reason for the defeat.
You should however note it wasnt used until after 1711, so no use in the main battles.
This tactical flexibility and efficience made that the mobile guns at least until the 1740 in europe were called artillery suedoise.https://www.kronoskaf.com/syw/index.php?title=Swedish_Artillery_Equipment

hornblaeser15 Jan 2022 2:17 p.m. PST

If the is a sufficient interest i will copy an image from one of my books

Simon the Squirrel15 Jan 2022 4:12 p.m. PST

I found this Swedish 3-pdr on Shapeways:

link

Travellera16 Jan 2022 3:17 a.m. PST

I think this model would be a good option:

link

Simon the Squirrel16 Jan 2022 6:48 p.m. PST

You should however note it wasnt used until after 1711, so no use in the main battles.

Unfortunately I will be focusing on the 1708-09 campaign. Thanks for the info, though.

Travellera17 Jan 2022 8:15 a.m. PST

There are no surviving examples of Swedish Galloper guns today but already during the 30 years war there are written evidence of 3lb galloper gun carriages such as these:

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Simon the Squirrel17 Jan 2022 9:47 a.m. PST

Thanks, that's a useful pic.

Simon the Squirrel17 Jan 2022 10:35 a.m. PST

Here is a plan of the Swedish split-trail 3-pdr:

link

Travellera17 Jan 2022 1:16 p.m. PST

Nice find!

Simon the Squirrel21 Jan 2022 12:39 p.m. PST

Found out a little more info on the Russian guns: the 3-pdr with the split trail wasn't issued to regiments, it was kept with the main artillery. This is in a caption in the recent Helion book by Megorsky. There are a couple of nice drawings of the gun on the page as well (p.92).

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