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Perun Gromovnik13 Jan 2022 1:47 a.m. PST

Interesting site with OOB and equipment data

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korsun0 Supporting Member of TMP13 Jan 2022 5:36 a.m. PST

now that was an interesting site, thanks for that.

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP13 Jan 2022 6:32 a.m. PST

The tabs on foreign equipment look interesting.

Perun Gromovnik13 Jan 2022 7:09 a.m. PST

Enjoy mates :)

Perun Gromovnik13 Jan 2022 7:35 a.m. PST

From equipment list looks like soviet tank army had tanks like german tank division. So there goes myth about soviet tank hordes and soviet large numbers

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian13 Jan 2022 12:07 p.m. PST

It is a horde if they have tanks and you don't

Legion 413 Jan 2022 2:46 p.m. PST

Bingo !

AndreasB13 Jan 2022 11:14 p.m. PST

"From equipment list looks like soviet tank army had tanks like german tank division. So there goes myth about soviet tank hordes and soviet large numbers"

While I agree with your point on the hordes, a Tank Army seems to have had around 400 or so tanks when on full strength, so about 2.5 times that of a German division at full strength, or comparable to a German Panzerkorps.

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I normally discount the Red Army designation by one level, it's often close enough.

All the best

Andreas

Martin Rapier13 Jan 2022 11:37 p.m. PST

A late war Soviet Tank Army (with two tank and one Mech Corps) deployed around 700 tanks and SP guns, excluding any Army assets.

A Soviet Tank Corps was comparable to a panzer division in armoured strength, depending. As noted above, Tank Army was roughly the equivalent of a panzer Corps.

Tank Corps were designated Corps, not divisions, because their constituent units were brigades, not regiments. It is almost as simple as battalions, regiments and brigades in the British Army…

Perun Gromovnik13 Jan 2022 11:47 p.m. PST

I ment by numbers whit wich they fought (in reality), not by to&e numbers of tanks

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP14 Jan 2022 1:01 p.m. PST

Are you assuming the opposing German divisions were at full strength?

korsun0 Supporting Member of TMP15 Jan 2022 3:55 a.m. PST

Well the Russian units certainly suffered: looking at 1st Gds Mech Korps, in January 1945 it had 184 Shermans and 62 SU-100. 1 month later it had 47 Shermans and 17 SU 100. Those are staggering losses….

Martin Rapier15 Jan 2022 4:15 a.m. PST

AFV losses are always very high, whether due to enemy action or breakdowns. The strengths on hand rather depend on doctrine for rebuilding units – dribble replacements in, or withdraw units to rebuild once they are smashed up. The mighty Panzerwaffe lost 50% of its tanks jist driving into Czechoslovakia without any fighting.

It is an interesting breakdown though, as you can see when units were built up prior to an offensive and what they looked like at the end of it. Shame the stats only cover the very end of the war.

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