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DHautpol12 Jan 2022 11:05 a.m. PST

I have been researching the Austrian Army for the WAS/SYW and read about the transition of the colours carried by the infantry.

During the WAS, it seems very probable that many, if not most, infantry regiments continued to carry the colours from Maria Theresa's father's reign. When Karl Theodor of Bavaria engineered his election as Holy Roman Emperor, the Austrian Army was required to give up the use of the imperial colours of yellow and black. A new colours' design was approved in 1743 using the Hungarian colours of red, green and white, as Maria Theresa had succeeded her father to the Hungarian throne. It is thought that few colours of this pattern were issued before Karl Theodor died and was succeeded as Emperor by Maria Thersa's husband, thus entitling the Austrians to resume using the imperial yellow and black pattern we are familiar with for the SYW.

All this is well known, but I found myself wondering about the yellow and black sashes worn by the Austrian officers. Were they also supposed to give up their yellow and black sashes and adopt another pattern, perhaps say green and white? I suspect that, given the lack of take-up for the 1743 design of colours, any change in the sashes was quietly ignored.

A fairly trivial point, but has anyone come across any references?

Mollinary12 Jan 2022 11:39 a.m. PST

Great question! I imagine Teuber and Ottenfeld may hold the answer, so I will be off to peruse my copy. Whatever it says, I suspect any new rules may have been honoured more in the breach than the observance!

de Ligne12 Jan 2022 2:31 p.m. PST

There are a number of references to green and white cockades in the tricorne so that may have been the only token to the loss of the Imperial dignity.

dbf167612 Jan 2022 4:32 p.m. PST

According to Robert Hall, until the early 1700s Austrian officers wore red sashes. They changed to yellow/gold and black to avoid confusion with the Bourbon Spanish troops, who also wore red. Not sure what happened in the early 1740s.

Cardinal Hawkwood12 Jan 2022 8:28 p.m. PST

In their interim period where the Bavarians were the Imperial foces they wore hapsburg family green and the cords on the colours were green and the drum rims were meant to be red white green as were the shells.
As for colors , well Frederick fixed that by capturing any number of them and with the return on Imperial didgnity colurs were centrally produced and become uniform.
I have a 28mm Was Army that can b seen here if I could remember how to do pictures.

von Winterfeldt13 Jan 2022 7:06 a.m. PST

Under Maria Theresia in the time 1743 to 1745, grasgreen sashes for all officers according to the rank intermixed with gold and silver or yellow and white silk, after 1745 when the Austrians yielded the Kaiser again, back to the yellow black ones.

Source Karger, page 42

DHautpol21 Jan 2022 6:41 a.m. PST

Interesting, so the regulations did address the issue.

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