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Nbonaparte07 Jan 2022 10:10 p.m. PST

I am looking for some help determining the makeup of the Russian combined Grenadier battalions during the Italian campaign of 1799. I want to fight Novi in 1799 and Sho's new early Russian figures allows me to do this in 18mm. I've checked all my sources and cannot find the answer to the questions I posed below

My understanding is that the combined grenadier battalion were made up of the grenadier companies from two different battalions. My questions are:

Did the companies come from the same Musketeer regiment? thus two companies total from the same regiment?

Since the the grenadier battalions in 1799 were named after their commanding officer or proprietor, how do you know which regiment's grenadier companies were combined to make up the grenadier battalion?

You would need to know that to paint the grenadier battalion.

Hope this makes sense.

Thanks for any help

Andy

Michman07 Jan 2022 10:50 p.m. PST

To start off, we have a good chart from the excellent Mr. Gingerich :

link

If you want to follow more, there are more details, such as ….

Bagration's Advanced Guard had the Russian Combined Grenadiers at Novi :
Dendrygin, Lomonosov, Sanaev and Kalemin Combined Grenadier battalions – 1,728 men

Сводно-Гренадерский подполковника (затем, полковника) Ломоносова батальон / Lieutenant-Colonel (later, Colonel) Lomonosov's Combined Grenadier battalion
--- composed of the four Flank companies of the Moscow and Yekaterioslav Grenadier regiments
--- mid April 1799 : 670 men, 2x 1/4-pud unicorn
--- late September 1799 : 330 men, exchanged unicorns for 1x Piedmontese 3-lber mountain gun
Ломоносов Григорий Гаврилович / Lomonosov Grigoriy Gavrilovich
--- 17.III.1767 born
--- 1775 listed in service
--- 18.IX.1794 promoted second-major over complement in the Kazan Cuirassier regiment
--- 1796 promoted premier-major in the Moscow Grenadier regiment
--- 24.I.1797 commander from its formation of the Combined Grenadier battalion of the Moscow and Yekaterinoslav Grenadier regiments
--- 1798 promoted lieutenant-colonel
--- 9.IV.1798 chevalier of the Order of Saint-Anne 3rd class
--- 3.V.1799 promoted colonel
--- 14.V.1799 chevalier of the Order of Saint-Anne 2nd class
--- 24.X.1799 granted leave from service *
--- 28.XII.1799 departed service in the rank of major-general
--- 10.IX.1810 died at his home at Bolshaya Morskaya Street № 159 in Saint-Petersburg – wife Karolina Semyonovna, 4 sons & 1 daughter
* The Combined Grenadier battalion was then commanded by the newly-promoted Major Gryazev of the Moscow Grenadier regiment.

Сводно-Гренадерский подполковника (затем, полковника) Дендрыгина батальон / Lieutenant-Colonel (later, Colonel) Dendrygin's Combined Grenadier battalion
--- composed of the four Grenadier companies of the Apsheron and Murom Musketeer regiments
--- mid April 1799 : 623 men, 2x 1/4-pud unicorn
--- late September 1799 : 339 men, no guns
Дендрыгин Спиридон Дмитриевич / Dendrygin Spiridon Dmitriyevich
--- 1754 born
--- 1764 listed in service
--- 27.VII.1792 promoted second-major in the Apsheron Infantry regiment
--- 1794 chevalier of the Order of Saint-Vladimir 4th class
--- 26.XI.1795 promoted premier-major – chevalier of the Order of Saint-George 4th class (№ 1218) "For the storm of Praga [Warsaw] 24 October 1794"
--- 24.I.1797 commander from its formation of the Combined Grenadier battalion of the Apsheron and Murom Musketeer regiments
--- 1798 promoted lieutenant-colonel
--- 28.VI.1799 promoted colonel
--- 1800 commander of the Order of Saint-John of Jerusalem
--- 5.VII.1800 retired due to the effects of wounds in the rank of major-general
--- 13.II.1801 appointed active state counselor, inspector of the Kizlyar quarantine in the Caucasus
--- 1804 left civilian service

Сводно-Гренадерский майора (затем, подполковника) Калемина батальон / Major (later, Lieutenant-Colonel) Kelemin's Combined Grenadier battalion
--- composed of the four Grenadier companies of the Tambov and Tula Musketeer regiments
--- mid April 1799 : 614 men, 2x 1/4-pud unicorn
--- late September 1799 : 397 men, no guns
Калемин Лука Фомич / Kalemin Luka Fomich
--- 1768 born to a poor noble family
--- 1776 listed in service, ranker in the Life-Guard Preobrazhskiy regiment
--- 1780 listed sergeant in the Life-Guard Preobrazhskiy regiment
--- 1791 promoted captain in the Tula Infantry regiment
--- 1793 transferred to the Tambov Infantry regiment
--- 26.IV.1794 promoted second-major over-complement
--- 7.V.1794 wounded by cannister at Polyana (near Grodno)
--- 1798 commander of the Combined Grenadier battalion of the Tambov and Tula Musketeer regiments, replacing Major Kaver pf the Tambov Infantry regiment
--- 9.VII.1799 promoted lieutenant-colonel
--- 4.VIII.1799 chevalier of the Order of Saint-Anne 2nd class, with brilliants
--- 2.X.1800 promoted Colonel
--- 14.IV.1803 commander of the Rylsk Musketeer regiment
--- 24.VI.1804 army colonel, commandant of the city of Troitsk in Siberia
--- 1811 retired

Сводно-Гренадерский подполковника Санаева батальон / Lieutenant-Colonel Sanayev's Combined Grenadier battalion
--- composed of the four Grenadier companies of the Butyrsk and Arkhangel Musketeer regiments
--- mid April 1799 : 608 men, 2x 1/4-pud unicorn
--- late September 1799 : 326 men, exchanged unicorns for 1x Piedmontese 3-lber mountain gun
Санаев Василий Данилович / Sanayev Vasiliy Danilovich
--- 1751 born at Christopol (Kazan governate), staff-officer's son
--- 1763 listed in service
--- 14.VII.1788 promoted second-major over-complement in the Suzdal Infantry regiment
--- 1792 second-major in the 1st Orenburg Field battalion
--- 26.XI.1795 chevalier of the Order of Saint-George 4th class (№ 1274)
--- 29.XI.1796 major in the Butyrsk Infantry regiment, transferred with his battalion at the formation of the regiment
--- 24.I.1797 commander from its formation of the Combined Grenadier battalion of the Butyrsk and Bryansk (later Arkhangel) Musketeer regiments
--- 1798 promoted lieutenant-colonel
--- 13.VII.1799 chevalier of the Order of Saint-Anne 2nd class
--- 29.X.1799 retired due to the effects of wounds *
--- 1800 chevalier of the Order of Saint-John of Jerusalem
--- 1808 died at Christopol – single, owning 15 hectares and 5 serfs
* The Combined Grenadier battalion was then commanded by the newly-promoted for bravery Major Chizhov of the Tula Musketeer regiment.

Sources :
wars175x.narod.ru/oob_ru99.html
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von Winterfeldt08 Jan 2022 12:40 a.m. PST

Eureka did produce two nice pdf articles about Russian Infantry and cossacks and Grenzer

link

We should not forget the Russians who fought at Zürich and also in 1799 in Holland, the scope of Sho's miniatures are not only restricted to Suvarov only.

von Winterfeldt08 Jan 2022 6:24 a.m. PST

I almost finished my Sanaev Grenadiere, it is quite difficult to chose the units, there the Russians had 4 different kind of tunis, with or without collars, same for lapels and so on.

Sho did nice sculpting, the drum was an ordeal to paing, there I opted for the sill old style drum rims, facing colour with green triangles – which for grey facings doesn't creat that awfull amount of contrast.

Otherwise the Russian army of 1799 looks quite nice.

SHaT198409 Jan 2022 1:47 p.m. PST

Oh yes- I just received my order of Eureka 1799/ Revolution Era Russian Grenadiers and Jaeger and some other samples that I will utilise after minor alterations for my 1805 'Allies'.

Fabulous figures from Australia, if I had to start gaming all over again, these would be centre stage…

IMG_5791_ ©dww 2022- Eureka Miniatures Australia deal pack FRs33
-
cheers d

Sho Boki Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Jan 2022 2:37 p.m. PST

Looks nice.

Nbonaparte09 Jan 2022 8:37 p.m. PST

Michman and von Winterfeldt,

Thanks for taking the time to provide the links. Both had the information I was looking for.

Thanks again

von Winterfeldt09 Jan 2022 11:42 p.m. PST

just to pass on information from Sho, caridge pouch plates brass regardless of button colour and for NCOs of copper.

SHaT198410 Jan 2022 12:49 p.m. PST

>>Looks nice.

Sho you should arrange to license your wares with them.
They have the same exacting attention to detail (hence their diverse and somewhat isolated ranges) but manufacture a wide variety.
Your figures go well to complement theirs (and AB of course). The New Zealand and Australian gaming market is very strong !
regards
davew

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