"1st & 12th Panzer Divisions at the "Bulge"?" Topic

Hey guys. I'm having trouble tracking down the # and types of tanks for the 1st & 12th Divisions at the start of the Ardennes Campaign.

I'm also looking for "Assault Guns" & "Tabk Destroyers" in these stats where available.

Thanks for any help.

1st and 12th SS Panzer Divisions was intended I am sure.

Interested to learn from the experts here.

Zaloga has recently released this book "Tanks in the Battle of the Bulge (New Vanguard)". I have a copy, and it's all in there. I know that people like to get their stuff for free these days, but how about supporting authors and historians by buying their product?

youtu.be/yUc86pTFRps

…is offered by way of a commercial for Zaloga's book(s). In the video he does a deep dive into 12 SS' combat effectiveness issues. They were understrength, inadequately supplied with fuel and ammo, and marginally trained.

It's a bit much to expect a lot from crews who've had 2 months in new roles with new equipment, and so little fuel to use to train they were basically still in driver's ed.

+1 Deephorse

According to Thomas L Jentz Panzer Truppen vol 2:

1st SS-Panzer-Division LSSAH
SS – Pz. Rgt. 1

s.SS – Pz. Abt. 501
45 PzVI in three companies. These were Tiger IIs

I. / SS Pz.Rgt.1
37 PzIV(lg) in two companies
45 PzV in two companies
4 FlakpzIV (2V)
4 FlakpzIV (37)

12.SS-Panzer-Division H.J.

SS-Pz.Rgt. 12

I. / SS-Pz.Rgt. 12
37 PzIV(lg) in two companies
41 PzV in two companies

Many thanks to all!

There are some good online sources with more info, including the number of halftracks, armored cars, etc., too.

560th Jagdpanther Battalion was attached to the 12th SS, IIRC, based upon a reference I just read in the last day or two.

Tiger IIs were left at the rear by Peiper, since he deemed them to be too slow.

+1 Deephorse

Thanks HMS Exeter. However, I knew that someone would provide the required information eventually. We like to be helpful, but when that help jeopardises the likelihood of further research being done, then I tend to think twice about giving it.

My interest in things military pre-dates the internet, when you either bought a book, or tried to persuade your local library to buy one so that you could then borrow it for the next three years. The book buying habit has stuck with me, and I think that more people should 'invest' in the various military historians that try to satisfy our needs. Without them no-one would be able to quote Jentz.

IIRC there is a website that details how many of the Tiger II'a broke down at the Battle of the Bulge before they got into combat.

Not exactly the web site I was looking for, but has data on causes of loses with almost 2/3 not due to combat.
panzerworld.com/tiger-losses

Deephorse:

As an author, I appreciate your viewpoint.

A lot of them simply ran out of fuel too, apparently.

@Deephorse

As I am oft wont to say in this hobby.

You buy figures, but you invest in books.

Well it maybe gernerational or just an inadequate mindset but I can never properly absorb info from a screen, Has to be a hard copy for me to the point where I now have to operate a one in one out policy with books.
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Jentz is good on the tanks, but sadly misses out all the SP guns. As noted, 12th SS had an attached heavy tank destroyer battalion with a mix of Jagdpanthers and Jagdpanzer IVs. Both divisions also had their SP tank destroyer battalions, one of them formed the core of a 1st SS KG. At this stage of the war, also equipped with Jagdpanzer IVs.

As HMS Exeter says, why not 'invest' £10.00 GBP or so in Zaloga's book, and have all the information at your fingertips for evermore?

"As HMS Exeter says, why not 'invest' £10.00 GBP GBP or so in Zaloga's book, and have all the information at your fingertips for evermore?"

Just waiting for it to arrive Brother!

This one too:
link

Excellent news!

What is a PzIV (lg)?

Long barrel, (75/43 or 75/48) as opposed to short barrel (75/24).