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Ivan The Not So Terrible23 Dec 2021 9:14 a.m. PST

A lot of sources mention a regiment is split into two or more battalions, and a battalion is the smallest tactical unit on the battlefield, but would a regiment fight as a single tactical unit?

Specifically I'm looking at the GNW.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP23 Dec 2021 10:31 a.m. PST

I am no expert on this but I think the answer is sometimes – for example, at Poltava I believe there were battalions from the Kalmar and Skaraborg regiment who were redeployed, by conventional wisdom near the Livgarde but with recent work suggesting a battalion of the Skaraborg further to the right of Swedish line

Also a bit country specific – for example, in the SYW there were French regiments who had battalions on different continents!

JimDuncanUK23 Dec 2021 11:05 a.m. PST

In the British army some Regiments had only one battalion and some had two battalions. It was rare for a two battalion Regiment to have both battalions in an active campaign and even rarer for them both to be in the same brigade never mind fight together.

A battalion often split into two wings and if need be took on diffent orders and actions.

In the French army it was common for a multi battalion Regiment to operate its battalions together.

Swampking23 Dec 2021 12:44 p.m. PST

What countries are you talking about specifically – the main protagonists – Sweden and Russia?

It depends on the theatre of operations, army and time period. In general, the Swedes didn't operate with full regiments, although you will see 2 battalions of a regiment in the orbats of various battles – especially those with Karl XII as commander (the 'Crown' or 'King's' Army). If you look at the orbat for Helsingborg or Gadesbusch – most of the regiments contain 1 battalion or 2 very understrength battalions (aka – the 'regiment').

In Finland, most of the regiments were scattered throughout the lower half of the country (for the Indelta regiments). If you examine the orbats for the battles in Finland, most regiments fielded 1 battalion that was understrength (300-400 men). The garrison regiments were even worse.

For the Russians – in the earlier stages of the war – 1700-1705 – the Russian regiments fielded mostly one battalion, although the 2 'Guard' regiments could field both battalions, as Peter wanted them to gain experience – especially in the battles and sieges in the Baltic theatre. However, according to most reports – the Russians fielded 1 battalion. For instance, Swedish spy reports in 1707 (those spies were reporting to the Swedish commander Lybecker), stated that most Russian regiments fielded 1 battalion of 700 men or less. If you want the exact quote, let me know, as I'll have to look for it in the library.

As with most armies through the ages, 'regiments' in the GNW were woefully understrength – disease being the main killer. Therefore, you could have a 'paper' strength regiment of 1000 men fielding only 400 men divided into 2 'battalions' of 4 companies each (average of 50 men per company). This was the average in the Finnish campaigns later in the GNW.

If you have a copy of "Karl XII pa slagfaltet" – it gives you a pretty good idea of how the Swedes, Saxons and Russians operated. Furthermore, you can pick up a copy of the recently published "Carl Gustav Armfelt and the Struggle for Finland During the Great Northern War" by Helion. This book is a translation of THE book on the GNW in the Finnish theatre of operations. Here's the link to it on the Helion website:

link

In general, I'd stick to the 1 battalion = 600 men rule, as that seems to work best for figuring out pike to musket ratios among the Russians and Swedes. The Saxons, Danes, Prussians and Holstein-Gottorpers would have followed a similar organization. So, a regiment would average 1200 men. Yes, regiments raised in Finland normally averaged 1000 men on paper (divided into 2 'battalions' of 500), but to make it easier when calculating melee – try to keep your battalions the same strength, i.e. average of 600 men (24 minis in my 15mm armies).

Hope this helps. Oh, if you want to know the resources I used, just drop me an email:

jestarnes66@gmail.com

Merry Christmas!

Ivan The Not So Terrible23 Dec 2021 2:07 p.m. PST

Thanks for the detailed info.

Swampking23 Dec 2021 2:52 p.m. PST

I would also do the same for the cavalry regiments. Swedish cavalry 'regiments' ranged from 200 – 1000 men (on paper). So, you can average that out to 300 – 600 men, depending on the regiment. So, in my gaming system – 12-24 minis per cavalry 'regiment'.

As long as you keep the same basing for the Russians, Saxons, Poles-Lithuanians, Prussians, Danes, etc. – there shouldn't be a problem. I base all my cavalry on stands of 2 minis per stand (50 men) – which represents a company. For Cossacks – most sotnias averaged anywhere from 200-800 men. In the Finnish campaign, the sotnias seemed to average 400 men (so, 16 miniatures).

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