Robert Burke | 16 Dec 2021 9:03 p.m. PST |
Does anyone have any organizations information on Russian Marines and Sailors in the Crimean War? "Crimean War Basics" by Michael Cox and John Lenton mentions that there were battalions of Russian marines and sailors at the Garrison of Sebastopol but does not give any organization for them. |
DisasterWargamer  | 16 Dec 2021 10:03 p.m. PST |
In Stuart Asquiths Partizan Press Guide to the Crimean War – he attributes Nafziger showing 5 Marine Battalions of between 564 to 594 men. There were also some larger "Landing" battalions as well Found a little bit suggesting informal organization – from the excellent site on Crimean war research link Russian Activities in Sevastopol "When Menshikov had moved up to the Alma he had taken almost all the Army with him. There were just four reserve battalions from the Litovsky and Vilensky Regiments, and four battalions of marines in Sevastopol." and "Kornilov (left) gave carte blanche approval — he also created four naval battalions from ships crews to supplement his meagre defence force, and started transferring ships' cannons to thicken up the gun positions ashore." Also found this picture – which not organizational – I thought I would share
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ColCampbell  | 17 Dec 2021 8:18 a.m. PST |
You must remember that for many European military forces the word we tend to translate as 'marines' was actually marin (or it equivalent) which meant a sailor. I would surmise that the 'marine' battalions were structured naval landing battalions while the 'sailor' units were ad hoc organizations, probably manning the naval artillery. I like the picture. The blue saltire on white is the Russian naval flag. And the icon banner with the Virgin and Child could probably be used for any Russian unit. Jim |
DisasterWargamer  | 17 Dec 2021 10:10 a.m. PST |
I was thinking last night I need to build a unit of "marines" for my Russian forces |
79thPA  | 17 Dec 2021 5:58 p.m. PST |
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Cuprum2 | 17 Dec 2021 10:05 p.m. PST |
Here is a series of publications on the history of the Russian marines in the Black Sea (automatic translation). On the participation of naval units in the Eastern War – 2nd part, 2nd chapter. 17 naval battalions were formed from sailors from warships. Also, the sailors were engaged in the maintenance of a large number of naval guns installed on the bastions. A significant part of the seamen are "prison companies", that is, seamen who were convicted of various crimes and served their sentences in special penal army units. The "Banner" with the Mother of God is a church banner. It is not the banner of a military unit. Perhaps only in the militia units. link
Uniforms of Russian sailors during the defense of Sevastopol. The greatcoat is not shown, it is in everything similar to the soldier's. 1. Admiral P.S. Nakhimov 2. Navy staff officer in full dress uniform 3. Senior officer 4. Artillery sailor 5. Vice-Admiral V.A. Kornilov 6. Ship doctor 7. Sailor (in a pea jacket) 8. Officer And here you can buy Russian banners, including for sailors: link
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DisasterWargamer  | 18 Dec 2021 2:14 a.m. PST |
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Cuprum2 | 18 Dec 2021 4:02 a.m. PST |
Forgot to mention. The picture above controversially depicts the color of the sailors' leather equipment. The sailors were given the black color of the belts. However, some of the sailors could also have white equipment, obtained from army warehouses or from soldiers who were out of action.
The naval battalion has an average of about 600 men. |
DisasterWargamer  | 18 Dec 2021 9:28 a.m. PST |
Cuprum2 – Do you have any Russian Sources for the Siege or Battle of Kars (June of 1855)? Thanks |
Cuprum2 | 18 Dec 2021 10:38 a.m. PST |
I do not know what kind of information you are interested in. Here is a good overview article on these events. But only in Russian (in automatic translation): link link |
DisasterWargamer  | 18 Dec 2021 12:11 p.m. PST |
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dBerczerk | 18 Dec 2021 4:48 p.m. PST |
Those seem like very practical uniforms for the time. |