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dave8365 Supporting Member of TMP11 Dec 2021 12:24 p.m. PST

Hi,

I've seen a bunch of figures for sale on eBay which appear to be AB; the pint job is decent and so is the price. My big question is if they are actual AB figures, or if they are pirated.

Has anyone purchased these in the past? It is generally pretty easy to tell a re-cast.

Cheers,
Dave

dave8365 Supporting Member of TMP11 Dec 2021 12:26 p.m. PST
Dave Jackson Supporting Member of TMP11 Dec 2021 12:39 p.m. PST

No idea

Dave Jackson Supporting Member of TMP11 Dec 2021 12:39 p.m. PST

Anything to lose by picking them up…I mean yes..$45?

McWong7311 Dec 2021 12:49 p.m. PST

I've purchased 25mm WW2 from him, they appeared legit to my eye. He's a former painter for Dragon Painting who set up on his own.

Onomarchos11 Dec 2021 1:27 p.m. PST

There are several negative reviews claiming the figs are recast. I purchased several units from him and the quality varied a lot. Some seemed to be recasts.

Mark

McWong7311 Dec 2021 2:19 p.m. PST

I'd say his quality paint wise is a strong wargames standard. I rate Dragon higher, and they have a much higher turnover of stock going by the volume of older GW sculpts in this guys ebay shop. Mind you, that could also be an indicator of him using recasts.

repaint11 Dec 2021 2:55 p.m. PST

There has never been any recast, copy infringement, and looting of intellectual property from China…

torokchar Supporting Member of TMP11 Dec 2021 3:22 p.m. PST

Hey David – shoot me a note: Charlie Torok, Texas

torokc@hotmail.com

Matamoros1337 Supporting Member of TMP11 Dec 2021 5:53 p.m. PST

they are all recast

VonBlucher11 Dec 2021 8:12 p.m. PST

Hard to tell as they don't show any images up close, but a tell tale sign is AB is not listed for Brand. Allot easier to notice if they were unpainted. My main Nap army is Jean Prussians. So painted lots of these figures. If they are recast they are well casted as the bayonets aren't any thinner then on my Prussian figures.

John Baxter12 Dec 2021 1:36 a.m. PST

These are all pirated figures. Nic from Eureka and a number of us from the AB Facebook group have been complaining to EBay for years to no avail. These are all poor recasts and are have not been purchased from any seller of AB figures. I'll leave it to each of you to work out whether this kind of behaviour should be supported in the hobby.

Nic Robson12 Dec 2021 5:19 p.m. PST

Nic from Eureka here and just to reiterate Johns comments.
Dragon and any other Chinese seller of painted Napoleonics do not use AB figures. They use their own pirated copies.
We have complained without success to eBay and Ali Express.
Thank you for spotting these and highlighting that they pirated copies.

Nic EUREKA MINIATURES

Fred Mills13 Dec 2021 3:17 p.m. PST

Thanks John and Nic for clarifying.

YogiBearMinis15 Dec 2021 7:05 a.m. PST

Some of them are Fantassin it seems, esp the Spanish they and similar painters sell. You can look at the painted samples on Stonewall Miniatures site and see.

The H Man17 Feb 2022 3:39 p.m. PST

How does one spot a recast?

Most metal figures are technically recasts, if using master and production moulds. You sometimes see 2 lines on legit figures.

Also, eg. Reaper ask you to send in old figures to be recast, instead of their staff having to trawl through old moulds looking for one figure. So you'd be buying a legit recast, possibly essentially identical to a dodgy recast. They may have even changed metal.

If a figures well moulded and we'll cleaned? How do you tell? If a new legit cast was used and same, at least weighted, metal?

Metal typically used a talc release, so you could test the talc, metal and any silicon remnants on the figure.

Looking for shrinkage or distortion from being pressed may help.

If it's a straight cast, air escapes and metal inlets (whatever the technical terms are) could be telling. I've seen both very neat work (from a chap above) and less neat.

If they are painted, it's harder to tell. Try weighing them, but basing, even paint may put it off. You'd have to probably strip it to be sure of weight, even then some excess flash or line may affect it.

Warming. Here's an idea. Get a legit and suspect cleaned figure. Warm them the same then test their temp a minute or so later. Just made it up, but if the metals are different, so should the temps, I guess?????

Again, like Reaper, some comps may do legit recasting, even using different metal. Sometimes a master mould could be damaged or lost and existing products may be simply recast, again legitimately.

I'm sure there's more to it all.

Volleyfire26 Feb 2022 5:35 a.m. PST

I bought loads of SYW 28MM from Dragon many years ago and they were all genuine Front Rank as far as I could see. The only issue I had was where they used British as Hanoverians and didn't use the correct figures, which made me think they might have been casting their own and didn't have any Hanoverians to hand. I then used a different company based in China which sells on eBay and ordered a unit of what looked like 'Front Rank' SYW Highlanders. When they arrived they were identical to Front Rank, but noticeably smaller. I can't fault the painting, but next to a normal Front Rank unit you can see the size difference. So that has put me off buying any of these other AB Napoleonics as I think they might be knock offs too, and Nic has only confirmed my suspicions above.

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