Help support TMP


"Good recent Bavarian Army source book" Topic


14 Posts

All members in good standing are free to post here. Opinions expressed here are solely those of the posters, and have not been cleared with nor are they endorsed by The Miniatures Page.

Please be courteous toward your fellow TMP members.

For more information, see the TMP FAQ.


Back to the Napoleonic Discussion Message Board


Areas of Interest

Napoleonic

Featured Hobby News Article


Featured Link


Featured Ruleset


Featured Showcase Article

1:700 Black Seas British Brigs

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian paints brigs for the British fleet.


Featured Workbench Article


Featured Profile Article

First Look: Barrage's 28mm Roads

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian takes a look at flexible roads made from long-lasting flexible resin.


Current Poll


608 hits since 22 Nov 2021
©1994-2021 Bill Armintrout
Comments or corrections?

Mutford22 Nov 2021 7:53 a.m. PST

I had a brief scan of threads on Bavarians and did not see any reference to the book I have just bought, published in 2018.

The Bavarian Army 1806-1813 by Peter Bunde. Originally published in German.

Probably the best readable source book for my interest in wargaming I have ever had. Very good uniform plates as opposed to the Osprey posed images. And, if you saw my post asking for the colour of the epaulette of the artillery train, it is all very clearly shown in this book.

Highly recommended.

Bandolier22 Nov 2021 8:05 p.m. PST

Thanks for the recommendation. I will have to check it out.

Robert Herlinger23 Nov 2021 6:33 a.m. PST

The Saxon Army 1810-1813 by Peter Bunde published in English in 2018 (paperback) is also good.

But the Westphalian Army in the Napoleonic Wars 1807-1813 by Peter Bunde is magnificent, but expensive! (Hardback and large)

Alternatively I find his plates that he sells on particular regiments are excellent sources for uniforms during the Napoleonic Wars, particularly for those unusual regiments. The detail in one plate covers nearly everything you need. But ensure you request the English translation for each plate you order.

Mutford23 Nov 2021 8:15 a.m. PST

@Robert Herlinger. Thank you for the heads up on the Saxon Army book as that will be my next project after Victrix make the Bavarians available.

Hopefully the Saxons will be able to be easily converted from existing plastic sets, but the book should guide me if it as good as the Bavarian one.

The Westphalian book sounds interesting but in my period, there were not many around!

Mutford23 Nov 2021 11:13 a.m. PST

Well that was disappointing. I checked my Perrys and Victrix British, French and Austrian cavalry horses and they all have sheepskins apart from the Victrix lancer horses which have other issues.

If anyone knows of plastic 28mm horses with a plain shabraque which tapers to a point at the back, I would be very grateful as I really do not want to paint metals again!

I aim to use spare heads from the Victrix Bavarians and the spare bodies I have to make Bavarian Chevau-legere. But I need the horses.

Marcus Maximus24 Nov 2021 2:03 a.m. PST

@Mutford I found some inaccuracies and missing units from Peter Bunde's book which is a shame. I recommend the late Rawkins collection of Napoleonic Uniform books on CD as the closest to being accurate.

johannes5524 Nov 2021 5:08 a.m. PST

Are those Rawkins books still available somewhere?

von Winterfeldt24 Nov 2021 5:20 a.m. PST

@Marcus Maximus

What inaccuraries did you find? I cannot immagine that the late Rawkins had better sources than the Bunde / Gaärtner / Stein book, which is my first reference to consult regarding Bavarian army.

There I am quite interested in this army, please let me know your findings.

MarbotsChasseurs24 Nov 2021 7:58 a.m. PST

Not from Bunde's book, but some portraits I have saved over the years of searching the internet for Bavarian Cavalry. Also, a decent amount of portraits out there of infantry officers as well as many paintings by Albrecht Adam and von Kobell who witnessed firsthand the uniforms of the time period. Bunde's modern plates are a great source and do make it easier to have everything in one place. However, still can't beat Cantler's plates found link

picture

Carl von Mannlich seconde lieutenant of Chevaulegersregiment König, 1811

picture

Leopold Wolfgang Balduin von Zandt Chevaulegers von Konig son of General von Zandt killed at Battle of Landshut 1809

picture

picture

Kronprinz Ludwig von Bayern 1807

NapStein24 Nov 2021 11:57 a.m. PST

Just to "relieve" Peter, the texts were written by Markus Gärtner and me, Peter has delivered the infographics

Greetings
Markus Stein

P.S. the Westphalian book had been written by Markus Gärtner alone, Thomas Hemmann provided the war history

Allan F Mountford24 Nov 2021 1:49 p.m. PST

Good to see you here, Markus!
Just in case there are TMP members not aware of your website, here is the link: link
It is unquestionably amongst the very best Napoleonic sites on the web.
Kind regards
Allan

von Winterfeldt24 Nov 2021 2:21 p.m. PST

Very nice portraits, but Cantler is not contemporary either.

As for an overall work, not only discussing uniforms I cannot see a book in English which beats the Stein, Gärtner and Bunde book.

As to their mistakes, I would like to be made aware of.

Personal logo SHaT1984 Supporting Member of TMP24 Nov 2021 3:28 p.m. PST

All very good… and yes Markus is to be congratulated on his sites/ domains plural.

I have a query for 'mike the collector'- [as 1809 is your interest] do you have any references to earlier campaigns such as 1805 and Bavarian 'Liaison Officers' attached to the French? These, like to emigre-Polish 'interpreters' are much overlooked and I feel I must employ some…
cheers d

Marcus Maximus25 Nov 2021 7:17 a.m. PST

@vonW briefly as I'm up to my eyes in projects, missing units as a starter for ten *rolls eyes* I do have the Bunde book and good book it is however, as always, I obtain multiple sources and compare / contrast, as even modern literature can be wrong sometimes ;)

Sorry - only verified members can post on the forums.