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Tango0121 Nov 2021 9:23 p.m. PST

"September 2, 1945, is recognized in many American history books as the day World War II formally ended in Asia. But according to Stanford sociologist Gi-Wook Shin, the conflict was never fully resolved in the region, leading to strains in diplomatic relations today.

On the 75th anniversary of this historic milestone, Shin discusses the legacy of World War II in the Asia-Pacific, specifically the failure among nations to fully address past wrongdoings and reach a mutual understanding of the conflict.

As a result, there is a "mismatch" in how Koreans, Chinese, Japanese and also Americans memorialize the war: China celebrates its victory against Japan while Korea commemorates its liberation from Japanese oppression. Meanwhile, Japan honors the victims of the atomic bombings in Hiroshima and Nagasaki an atrocity many Americans still feel uncomfortable talking about today, Shin points out…"
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rvandusen Supporting Member of TMP22 Nov 2021 8:26 a.m. PST

I once gently corrected a history professor in regard to China's contribution to WW2. He claimed that China's efforts were inconsequential, to which I responded that China managed to occupy the attention of a significant portion of Japanese forces that may have been a menace if employed elsewhere. I don't know if I convinced him. but I gained some respect for my analysis from him and a number students that hailed from those far-off lands.

Oddball22 Nov 2021 8:45 a.m. PST

"If the world is still at war, is the World War over?" Indy Neidell in reference to the conflicts raging in Eastern and Central Europe in 1919.

I believe that Eureka Miniatures began a line of Chinese in W.W. II in 28mm. My buddy in Nashville ran a series of 1937 China/Japanese scenarios. Great playing games with the funky early Japanese / Chinese equipment.

China (Nationalist mostly, some commie) contributed greatly to Allied victory. As stated above, just the number of Japanese army troops tied down was a blessing to the US and British/Commonwealth troops.

Tango0122 Nov 2021 3:14 p.m. PST

Thanks!


Armand

Gear Pilot22 Nov 2021 4:09 p.m. PST

"an atrocity many Americans still feel uncomfortable talking about today" – Nope. Not a problem at all.

microgeorge Supporting Member of TMP23 Nov 2021 8:37 a.m. PST

Perhaps they were atrocities that ended multiple Japanese atrocities.

Tango0123 Nov 2021 3:36 p.m. PST

Glup!


Armand

Bunkermeister Supporting Member of TMP23 Nov 2021 8:33 p.m. PST

""an atrocity many Americans still feel uncomfortable talking about today" Nope. Not a problem at all."

Not a problem.
Not an atrocity.
War is hell.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
Bunker Talk blog

Legion 424 Nov 2021 9:09 a.m. PST

China's contribution to WW2. He claimed that China's efforts were inconsequential,
He needs to go back to school. Good reply to his stupid statement … Another example of our poor education system it seems.

Nope. Not a problem at all.
👍👍

Perhaps they were atrocities that ended multiple Japanese atrocities.
Bingo !!!!

Not a problem.
Not an atrocity.
War is hell.
Bingo !!!!

They were asked to surrender. They chose not to. They chose poorly. "Reaping the whirlwind" …

Legionarius26 Nov 2021 8:21 p.m. PST

The decision to use the atomic bomb should not be questioned. It was a morally gray decision that very likely prevented even worse outcomes for all involved including the Japanese. It is unlikely that the divine Japanese Emperor would have surrendered in any other scenario. The casualty rates in Iwo Jima and Okinawa were premonitions of an even greater holocaust in the Japanese homeland. While not something to celebrate, the atomic bomb put an end to what many scholars have called a "war without mercy." War, indeed, is hell. The Invasion of Japan "Operation Olympic" would have dwarfed the Normandy, Sicily, Italy, and Okinawa operations put together. The American and Japanese casualty rates given the suicidal ethos of the Japanese would have been astronomical.

Legion 429 Nov 2021 5:59 p.m. PST

👍👍 And yet some still don't get that …

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP09 Dec 2021 11:09 a.m. PST

The decision to use the atomic bomb should not be questioned.

Of course it can be questioned, especially if you have not previously looked into the background. But those "questioning" it should also accept the reasons for its deployment, and once you got the facts, the answer to the question is a clear: The decision was justified.

Its not the question that is the problem, its the inability to accept the facts as they presented themself to those making the decision.

Apart from that, without knowledge of the effects and misery an abomb leaves behind, chances for their later usage in a prolonged war, probably on both sides, are WAY larger. That alone can justify their usage before history.

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