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D6 Junkie05 Nov 2021 8:17 p.m. PST

Did French line Grenadiers often have greatcoat with colored cuffs?

Duc de Brouilly06 Nov 2021 1:57 a.m. PST

I've seen a Bradford depiction showing coloured collars (blue) but I've not seen anything with coloured cuffs.

Personal logo Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP06 Nov 2021 4:24 a.m. PST

Not by the regulations. The only colour was the addition of their epaulettes. Some regiments had coloured patches on the collars. However, in Napoleon's army, regulations seem to have been a 'basis for discussion' so I would not be surprised if some unit somewhere had coloured cuffs.

MarbotsChasseurs06 Nov 2021 10:14 a.m. PST

The 3e Ligne had green piping on the collar of the greatcoats in 1807. The then Colonel Schobert wrote in his order book that the regiment should have green piping.


MarbotsChasseurs06 Nov 2021 10:35 a.m. PST

This is a modern painting taken from the Dresden manuscript c.1813 showing a voltigeur cornist and a sapeur, which was part of the grenadier company wearing a greatcoat with no color on the collars.


SHaT198406 Nov 2021 11:48 a.m. PST

Never.No such thing. If there was piping it was cosmetic only. A whimsy.

Michman09 Nov 2021 11:13 a.m. PST

Whimsies, yes ….

Boisselier shows these examples of colored markings on capotes for the French army in Spain, allegedly taken from lost contemporary sketches by "El Guil".
--- fusilier of the 14e ligne, 1808 : capucine brown local made capote without cuffs and with red collar
--- fusilier of the 44e ligne, no date : gray capote with red edging around the upper edge of the cuffs, and on the front and upper edges of the collar
--- grenadier of the 34e ligne, 1811-1812 : light weight, light gray or white (cotton ?) local made capote with red collar
--- voltigeur of the 34e ligne, 1811-1812 : gray-beige capote with yellow edging around the upper edge of the cuffs
--- voltigeur of the 105e ligne, end of 1812 : capucine brown local made capote without cuffs and with red flashes on either side of the front of the collar
--- grenadier of the 105e ligne, no date (likely 1812-1813) : capucine brown local made capote without cuffs and with red flashes on either side of the front of the collar

Comment : One might expect such decoration more often if the unit had worn out (or not been issued) their habits and were wearing the capote daily instead.

SHaT198409 Nov 2021 5:47 p.m. PST

Whimsies, yes ….

A single source, copies of copies, can be taken with due regard to the tenuous nature of their creation…
so out of hundreds of thousands of examples, not many… and none existing [that I can recall but no proof at all]; other whimsies like the collar tabs; yellow cuff flaps; metallic scales shoulder straps etc. also so minute a % as irrelevant, unless you just want them.
Never is pretty close to '0', but what you want, you want.
No arguement from me.

On a technical point of order- piping was attached to a joined seam mostly (two differient pieces of cloth). It is somewhat senseless to 'create' a more expensive design by 'joining' a sleeve rather than cutting to a size and allowing folds. I'm sure commonsense outranked fashion, even then.

Since the OP was about 'coloured cuffs' anyway; the only way that was likely was IF a short armed person wore sleeves rolled back, ie any lining showed.
Also, never in ANY type of company, not just Grenadiers.
Even 'la garde' had no such affectation; except the turnbacks (which was a form of lining anyway) always showing as red.

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