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25 Oct 2021 10:56 a.m. PST
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Atheling25 Oct 2021 10:27 a.m. PST

Hi,

We're planning on putting on The Battle of Dara Dara 530 to go along with Solachon we put on at Claymore one year (pics below) but I have a few questions about the rules before I make a purchase.

My question is this; would the rules be able to accommodate the base sizes of the units below?
-120mm frontage for Infantry (posibly up to 160mm frontage with some units) and 120mm deep?
-150mm frontage for Cavalry and 100mm deep?

Both painters and ultimately the players in the game are very much into the aesthetics of the game and we're just not willing to budge on size of the units we have chosen to go for.

images below of our unit sizes:

Stew art Supporting Member of TMP25 Oct 2021 12:39 p.m. PST

I don't know about Commitas as I've never read it or played. But I imagine that any game where a unit size is whatever you want it to be would work fine. Rules like Hail Caesar and Sword and Spear spring to mind.

Triumph! wants units to have different depths for identifying unit types but could be played I think with units the same size with minimal affects on game play.

David Grech25 Oct 2021 1:12 p.m. PST

For 25mm the recommended bases are 60mm
If your bases Óre larger c˛nsider it as multiple bases in a unit a˝d keep rec˛rd of the casualties

Marcus Brutus25 Oct 2021 4:07 p.m. PST

Atheling, I think Impetus does a decent job for this particular period so I am curious about why you are looking at another set.

Legionarius25 Oct 2021 6:35 p.m. PST

My favorite rule set is To the Strongest. Unit size and basing is entirely up to the players. You can even use a mix of different types of bases and it does not affect game play.

Atheling26 Oct 2021 2:27 a.m. PST

Marcus Brutus

Atheling, I think Impetus does a decent job for this particular period so I am curious about why you are looking at another set.

I'm not a fan of Impetus for display games. We ran the Battle of Verneuil 1424 at Salute 2011 and I really wasn't happy with the Impetus rule system for that game. Pic right at bottom of the page.

Don't get me wrong, I like Impetus, its a very good system, but I think it missed out of some of the tactical subtleties of the time period.

Stew art

Triumph! wants units to have different depths for identifying unit types but could be played I think with units the same size with minimal affects on game play.

Legionarius

My favorite rule set is To the Strongest. Unit size and basing is entirely up to the players. You can even use a mix of different types of bases and it does not affect game play.

Same as for Impetus. I love TtS but it again, missed out of some of the tactical subtleties of the time period. I will have a chat with Simon about that and see what he thinks.

For anyone interested in the standards that we set for display games please take a look at the image below and if you feel like it pop over to my Just Add Water Blog for more pics of the Verneuil 1424 Display Game:
justaddwater-bedford.blogspot.com/search/label/Battle%20of%20Verneuil%201424

Atheling26 Oct 2021 2:31 a.m. PST

Just to add to the above.

I'm waiting for Simon MacDowell to email me back on how we could re-jig Comitatus to fit the base size of the units in my first post.

Johnp400026 Oct 2021 5:00 a.m. PST

Atheling, knowing your constant search for the best medieval rules, I think Comitatus would more suit your requirements as they are full of period favour. TTs is a good fast system but can't think of anything particularly that creates anything medieval in the game. I am sure this is the system where dismounted knights seemed to be rather OP.

Marcus Brutus26 Oct 2021 5:34 a.m. PST

Can you remind me Atheling what exactly a display game is? This is not a term we use in North America.

Puster Sponsoring Member of TMP27 Oct 2021 12:24 a.m. PST

The minis look fantastic, but imho the overall impression would profit if you would make the banners a bit more lively.

missed out of some of the tactical subtleties

If you are into tactical subtleties I would go for DBMM. Steep learning curve, but fantastic games with an authentic feeling. It usually plays 28mm on 6cm bases, which look a bit cramped (though a base is not a unit), so I play it on 8cm bases just doubling its 4cm version.

Sorry that I cannot comment on Commitatus, though.

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