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EricThe Shed25 Oct 2021 6:59 a.m. PST

We finally completed our project to fight all the battles of the Wars of the Roses last week – from the town fighting at St Albans , to the bloody and snowy fields of Towton to a thrilling conclusion on the fields of Bosworth.

Fought using the excellent NMTBH ruleset. A full set of reports on every battle can be found here


a few pictures from the games

First St Albans


Blore Heath






Hope this is of interest

Oddball25 Oct 2021 7:19 a.m. PST

Very much of interest.

Thanks for sharing, the tables and game room look wonderful. 16 battles to fight out is a long campaign, congrads to your group for having the stamina.

Who won the war?

This period of time that has always held my interest since getting my rear handed to me in a multi-player game of "King Maker", question is where to focus my attention in the future, War of the Roses or English Civil War.

Kinda the same with different weapons, but you understand.

Huscarle25 Oct 2021 7:25 a.m. PST

Great stuff, and some eye-catching troops and battles, "Loyaulte me lie" grin

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP25 Oct 2021 7:26 a.m. PST

Beautiful work.

Personal logo Bashytubits Supporting Member of TMP25 Oct 2021 8:14 a.m. PST

Which rules are NMBTH? Okay, never mind I figured out it is Never mind the Bill Hooks. I have not heard of this rule set. Since you called them excellent what are the advantages and things you like about these? Great job on managing to dedicate so much effort to all the battles of the War of the Roses.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP25 Oct 2021 8:23 a.m. PST

Eric, that's an amazing project. I'm still trying to get both armies for Mortimers Cross off of the ground.

EricThe Shed25 Oct 2021 8:32 a.m. PST

Thanks Chaps

BASHYTUBITS: Never Mind the Billhooks – released by Wargames Illustrated last year – think you can still download pdf

Advantages and what we like:
Fast Play, Simple to learn, easy to remember unit stats, simple movement and command etc, morale tokens to end battles, deliver a great narrative to battle

Disadvantage: Clearing away all the figures at the end ;-)

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP25 Oct 2021 9:12 a.m. PST

Indeed PDF & Print copies are £6.00 GBP


Personal logo Silurian Supporting Member of TMP25 Oct 2021 9:23 a.m. PST

Wow. Quite an achievement. Great terrain and armies!

Personal logo Dal Gavan Supporting Member of TMP25 Oct 2021 11:05 a.m. PST

Well done, Eric. I've been following the war on your blog. Lots of thanks for the ORBATS, optional rules for the battles and the ideas that your group have posted as well.

Now I'll go over and read your latest battle report.

Robert Burke25 Oct 2021 12:41 p.m. PST

The figures and terrain are beautiful. But this brings up an interesting question. What was the last battle of the WOTR? Was it Bosworth or Stoke Field?

I vote for the latter.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP25 Oct 2021 12:53 p.m. PST

Nicely done! Thanks for posting

GamesPoet Supporting Member of TMP25 Oct 2021 7:05 p.m. PST

A great project, congrats on its completion!

Stew art Supporting Member of TMP26 Oct 2021 5:14 a.m. PST

That's some epic games going on. Congratulations on finishing all the battles. 😀

Frostie27 Oct 2021 2:03 a.m. PST


Arcane Steve27 Oct 2021 3:42 a.m. PST

Fantastic stuff! I've very much enjoyed following your battles and think that you have a fantastic set up and a collection of figures and scenery that I can only envy! Well done on scaling up Billhooks beyond what was thought possible. I really think that you ought to consider fighting Stokes Field….

sixlasers06 Nov 2021 10:54 a.m. PST

Have you done Piltown?

EricThe Shed07 Nov 2021 12:07 p.m. PST

Six lasers – yes – its on the list – are you trying to catch me out?


Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP09 Nov 2021 8:48 a.m. PST

Eric, how did the Irish fare in your games with them?

sixlasers11 Nov 2021 11:04 a.m. PST


Beaky Nose12 Nov 2021 2:57 a.m. PST

What a great project!!

EricThe Shed14 Nov 2021 3:14 a.m. PST

The Irish only featured in our Pilton and I think Mortimers Cross games(might be wrong) – they were OK but very fragile

MrZorro30 Nov 2021 8:27 a.m. PST

Spectacular effort, rewarding experience I am sure, "eye candy" everywhere, congratulations.

Trajanus30 Nov 2021 11:17 a.m. PST

Which Bosworth battlefield did you use? 😄

Atheling01 Dec 2021 11:18 p.m. PST

Superb effort Erik.

I am gobsmacked that you managed to fight your way through all the Wars of the Roses battles, at times hampered by the lockdown.

Wonderful stuff.

Just Add Water Wargamoinjg and Painting Blog:

barcah200120 Feb 2022 6:09 p.m. PST

What a spectacular feat! "Never Mind" specifically tells you that it can't be used to fight large battles like Towson or TewksburyŚwhat adjustments did you make to do so?

EricThe Shed21 Feb 2022 8:50 a.m. PST

Thanks for all the continued praise…

Very few adjustments were made to the core rules. To keep things simple all troops unless stated in the battle set ups were treated as retinues…

A forthcoming article in Wargames Illustrated will cover this all in more detail


barcah200121 Feb 2022 12:03 p.m. PST

Eric, our group is going to give the rules a first try this Friday and we wanted to do a bigger battle so everyone could command and have a go. If we do a large battle what do we need to watch for and adjust?

EricThe Shed21 Feb 2022 9:50 p.m. PST

Hi Mark

Just follow the rules no changes required – put all the morale tokens for each side in one pot

Best of luck

barcah200122 Feb 2022 5:21 a.m. PST

Thanks Eric. Not sure I understand that last about the army moral . The game ends when a commander is killed or one army runs out of tokens. If all thaw tokens are combined, how does this work?

rampantlion22 Feb 2022 6:59 a.m. PST

Eric, which battle ended up being the most enjoyable? Which ended up being the most challenging to replicate on the table?

EricThe Shed22 Feb 2022 12:39 p.m. PST

Mark – each side has morale tokens – you lose them when units are routed or daunted. Rather than each player having their own set – put them all together. Of course the other option is to kill the opponents leader.

Rampantlion – Most enjoyable was Towton – it was the biggest, most brutal and I won as Edward on the very last throw of the dice

Most difficult – Bosworth – trying to accommodate 8 players and getting the treachery right ….

Delighted to report that Wargames Ilustrated have even run and article on this series of games


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