EricThe Shed | 25 Oct 2021 7:59 a.m. PST |
We finally completed our project to fight all the battles of the Wars of the Roses last week – from the town fighting at St Albans , to the bloody and snowy fields of Towton to a thrilling conclusion on the fields of Bosworth. Fought using the excellent NMTBH ruleset. A full set of reports on every battle can be found here link a few pictures from the games First St Albans
Blore Heath
Towton
Bosworth
Hope this is of interest |
Oddball | 25 Oct 2021 8:19 a.m. PST |
Very much of interest. Thanks for sharing, the tables and game room look wonderful. 16 battles to fight out is a long campaign, congrads to your group for having the stamina. Who won the war? This period of time that has always held my interest since getting my rear handed to me in a multi-player game of "King Maker", question is where to focus my attention in the future, War of the Roses or English Civil War. Kinda the same with different weapons, but you understand. |
Huscarle | 25 Oct 2021 8:25 a.m. PST |
Great stuff, and some eye-catching troops and battles, "Loyaulte me lie" ![grin grin](boards/icons/grin.gif) |
79thPA ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 25 Oct 2021 8:26 a.m. PST |
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Bashytubits | 25 Oct 2021 9:14 a.m. PST |
Which rules are NMBTH? Okay, never mind I figured out it is Never mind the Bill Hooks. I have not heard of this rule set. Since you called them excellent what are the advantages and things you like about these? Great job on managing to dedicate so much effort to all the battles of the War of the Roses. |
Uesugi Kenshin ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 25 Oct 2021 9:23 a.m. PST |
Eric, that's an amazing project. I'm still trying to get both armies for Mortimers Cross off of the ground. |
EricThe Shed | 25 Oct 2021 9:32 a.m. PST |
Thanks Chaps BASHYTUBITS: Never Mind the Billhooks – released by Wargames Illustrated last year – think you can still download pdf Advantages and what we like: Fast Play, Simple to learn, easy to remember unit stats, simple movement and command etc, morale tokens to end battles, deliver a great narrative to battle Disadvantage: Clearing away all the figures at the end ;-) |
Uesugi Kenshin ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 25 Oct 2021 10:12 a.m. PST |
Indeed PDF & Print copies are £6.00 GBP link |
Silurian | 25 Oct 2021 10:23 a.m. PST |
Wow. Quite an achievement. Great terrain and armies! |
Dal Gavan ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 25 Oct 2021 12:05 p.m. PST |
Well done, Eric. I've been following the war on your blog. Lots of thanks for the ORBATS, optional rules for the battles and the ideas that your group have posted as well. Now I'll go over and read your latest battle report. |
Robert Burke | 25 Oct 2021 1:41 p.m. PST |
The figures and terrain are beautiful. But this brings up an interesting question. What was the last battle of the WOTR? Was it Bosworth or Stoke Field? I vote for the latter. |
Frederick ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 25 Oct 2021 1:53 p.m. PST |
Nicely done! Thanks for posting |
GamesPoet ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 25 Oct 2021 8:05 p.m. PST |
A great project, congrats on its completion! |
Stew art ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 26 Oct 2021 6:14 a.m. PST |
That's some epic games going on. Congratulations on finishing all the battles. 😀 |
Frostie | 27 Oct 2021 3:03 a.m. PST |
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Arcane Steve | 27 Oct 2021 4:42 a.m. PST |
Fantastic stuff! I've very much enjoyed following your battles and think that you have a fantastic set up and a collection of figures and scenery that I can only envy! Well done on scaling up Billhooks beyond what was thought possible. I really think that you ought to consider fighting Stokes Field…. |
sixlasers | 06 Nov 2021 11:54 a.m. PST |
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EricThe Shed | 07 Nov 2021 1:07 p.m. PST |
Six lasers – yes – its on the list – are you trying to catch me out? link
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Uesugi Kenshin ![Supporting Member of TMP Supporting Member of TMP](boards/icons/sp.gif) | 09 Nov 2021 9:48 a.m. PST |
Eric, how did the Irish fare in your games with them? |
sixlasers | 11 Nov 2021 12:04 p.m. PST |
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Beaky Nose | 12 Nov 2021 3:57 a.m. PST |
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EricThe Shed | 14 Nov 2021 4:14 a.m. PST |
The Irish only featured in our Pilton and I think Mortimers Cross games(might be wrong) – they were OK but very fragile |
MrZorro | 30 Nov 2021 9:27 a.m. PST |
Spectacular effort, rewarding experience I am sure, "eye candy" everywhere, congratulations. |
Trajanus | 30 Nov 2021 12:17 p.m. PST |
Which Bosworth battlefield did you use? 😄 |
Atheling | 02 Dec 2021 12:18 a.m. PST |
Superb effort Erik. I am gobsmacked that you managed to fight your way through all the Wars of the Roses battles, at times hampered by the lockdown. Wonderful stuff. Just Add Water Wargamoinjg and Painting Blog: link |
barcah2001 | 20 Feb 2022 7:09 p.m. PST |
What a spectacular feat! "Never Mind" specifically tells you that it can't be used to fight large battles like Towson or Tewksbury—what adjustments did you make to do so? |
EricThe Shed | 21 Feb 2022 9:50 a.m. PST |
Thanks for all the continued praise… Very few adjustments were made to the core rules. To keep things simple all troops unless stated in the battle set ups were treated as retinues… A forthcoming article in Wargames Illustrated will cover this all in more detail cheers |
barcah2001 | 21 Feb 2022 1:03 p.m. PST |
Eric, our group is going to give the rules a first try this Friday and we wanted to do a bigger battle so everyone could command and have a go. If we do a large battle what do we need to watch for and adjust? Mark |
EricThe Shed | 21 Feb 2022 10:50 p.m. PST |
Hi Mark Just follow the rules no changes required – put all the morale tokens for each side in one pot Best of luck |
barcah2001 | 22 Feb 2022 6:21 a.m. PST |
Thanks Eric. Not sure I understand that last about the army moral . The game ends when a commander is killed or one army runs out of tokens. If all thaw tokens are combined, how does this work? Mark |
rampantlion | 22 Feb 2022 7:59 a.m. PST |
Eric, which battle ended up being the most enjoyable? Which ended up being the most challenging to replicate on the table? |
EricThe Shed | 22 Feb 2022 1:39 p.m. PST |
Mark – each side has morale tokens – you lose them when units are routed or daunted. Rather than each player having their own set – put them all together. Of course the other option is to kill the opponents leader. Rampantlion – Most enjoyable was Towton – it was the biggest, most brutal and I won as Edward on the very last throw of the dice Most difficult – Bosworth – trying to accommodate 8 players and getting the treachery right …. Delighted to report that Wargames Ilustrated have even run and article on this series of games
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