"USN challenges China, Culture, Climate Change, and COVID" Topic

Secretary of the Navy Carlos Del Toro has come out with his strategic guidance to the Navy.

Apparently there are 4 key challenges facing the US Navy:

1. China
2. Culture
3. Climate Change
4. COVID

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Just more poppycock from the Admiral.

I havent read the article. But in any large organisation, culture is a constant battle. People think of culture as wokeness – but it is so, so, so much more than that. There will be constant dynamics between the bean counters and the effectiveness folks – these are the culture wars that ultimately determine the organisation effectiveness. If the bean counters win, the organisation will wither and die. If the effectiveness people win, the organisation will go bankrupt. Establishing the right balance is a constant juggling act. (This is the area I work in. And there are far more axes of culture wars within organisations). I can understand Culture as #2

Nick,

Very good post. And it's not just been counters v effectiveness, there's also culture relating to "how we do things," "why we do things" etc as well as things such as risk and innovation aversion/willingness.

Organisational culture is a critical concept yet often overlooked.

But culture, according to Sec Del Toro is: "…confronting sexual assault and harassment, promoting diversity, equity, and inclusion, preventing suicide, and demanding integrity and accountability across our naval leadership".

Aside from the last, it's all woke. Not saying that those issues don't deserve attention by leaders, but take a look at the state of our navy. I'd say it suffers more from diverting focus away from basics like sense of duty, training and will to fight than it does from not having enough LGBTQ Chiefs.

No Russia, Iran or North Korea but there is Climate Change. Just how is the USN structured to combat Climate Change other than just talk?

"look at the state of our navy"

What exactly is wrong with it at present? Specifically:
Is it big enough?
Is it well supplied?
Is it enough of a deterrent?
Could it 'get the job done'?

Is the answer "no" to any of these?

Challenges facing the US Navy:
Training
Maintenance
Safety
Supply
Morale
As it has always been. All that stuff up at the top is bull.

As it has always been. All that stuff up at the top is bull.

Bingo !!!! +1 And you can have the same list for the rest of the US military. Especially now …

Assessing a potential threat (China, as quoted in the OP in this case), is bull is it?

Looking at another of those points.
If I'm not mistaken, much of the navy floats on the sea.
Climate change (please lets ignore any causes thereof) will affect weather patterns over the seas and changes to the coastlines amongst other things. Something that might be of importance to the navy, and therefore not written off as bull.

Climate change affecting weather that affects navigation at sea? Gimme a break. Weather is what it is. Meteorologist mostly work in hours and days. As for changes to coastlines, maybe in a few hundred years, but not in out lifetimes or our children's. Doesn't happen that fast.

Conditions at sea still have to be taken into account by the navy on operations. (With todays instrumentation navigation is not an issue. Don't believe I mentioned that).
I'm no expert but I imagine that 'challenge' was brought up not for any woke reasons but rather for it's potential to affect how certain things will operate. And not tomorrow or next week, but in the forthcoming decades. There's a difference between weather and climate.

It's not just sea conditions, it's also the naval bases on the shorelines, or conditions where they operate along the littoral.

Not to mention that the disruptions caused by climate change will increase international tensions, etc.

it's also the naval bases on the shorelines, or conditions where they operate along the littoral.

Given natural coastal erosion, storms, changing nature of ships themselves etc, this is always an issue.

It's why they have maintenance (well they should even if often they don't) and why they have survey units.

Not denying climate change, merely that's its not as big an issue to the navy.

3 of the 4 Cs are clearly political virtue signalling.

Amazing the Secretary didn't mention the real challenges which Murvihill posted up:

Training
Maintenance
Safety
Supply
Morale

When you have ships out of action for years due to lack of maintenance facilities, multiple accidents due to overwork and lack of training, and problems recruiting and retaining staff, then that's when you can't accomplish basic missions.

So going back to the question I asked above, IS the US navy not able to accomplish basic missions?

Interesting and rather sad that sexual assault and harassment, and suicide prevention are seen as "woke"….. :/

From Navy Times July 29, 21016
Rising oceans threaten to submerge 128 military bases: report

navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/07/29/rising-oceans-threaten-to-submerge-128-military-bases-report/

Exactly David Manley. Only seen as 'woke' by some.

sexual assault and harassment, and suicide prevention are seen as "woke"….. :/

With my years in the Army, in my youth long passed. None of that was considered what some call "woke" today … They were important and took seriously again based on my experience.

Of course … back then woke meant you were not asleep. Not what some think it is today …

Training
Maintenance
Safety
Supply
Morale

Those are needed to produce effective warfighting skills … AFAIK/IMO …

With my years in the Army, in my youth long passed.

TMP link

Safe navigation is still very much an issue with the Navy, a quick google search on recent collisions and groundings will prove it. As far as global warming/climate change, 99% of the Navy doesn't look further than 5 years ahead, climate change isn't going to make an appreciable difference in that time. Calling what is essentially a long range planning issue a key challenge is not based on realistic thinking.

Steve Wilcox 14 Oct 2021 10:03 a.m. PST
With my years in the Army, in my youth long passed.
TMP link

Steve my long passed youth didn't include the ACW ! But thank you for thinking of me … 😁

Steve my long passed youth didn't include the ACW ! huh? old fart evil grin But thank you for thinking of me … 😁

You're very welcome! :)

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Item 3 is a non-issue, since our current Climate Czar (notice the communist/socialist/Marxist/Leninist title given to him) recently purchased an almost $20 USD MILLION seaside mansion that is NOT built on stilts, so clearly he is NOT really worried about sea level rise, despite ALL the bleating to the contrary.

If he was, he wouldn't be jetting around the globe, flying private ALL the time, spewing thousands of tons of carbon into the air, when phone calls and on-line video conferences can be held easily instead, with virtually NO carbon emissions using those methods instead.

Updated list of 4 biggest challenges facing the Navy

1 Secretary of the Navy Carlos Del Toro

2 Secretary of the Navy Carlos Del Toro

3 Secretary of the Navy Carlos Del Toro

4 China

Fortunately, I hear Milley got us lined up for trillion dollar sustainable green maginot line in California staffed with androgenous raceless troops.

Thresher, a Tzar is an emperor. It originates from Ceaser as on Julius Ceasar. Not a Communist/Marxist/socialist/Leninist title.

Indeed the Bolsheviks riddled the last Tzar and his family full of bullets. The Chinese turned their last one into a cleaner.

Bit embarrassing to post that kind of stuff on a forum full of people into history.

Though I agree he and all ther other supposed SJW leaders like Trudeaux and are Ardern are hypocrites.

All part of the global elite.

"Bit embarrassing to post that kind of stuff on a forum full of people into history."
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The only person who should be embarrassed is you.

Murvihill,

Thresher's statement that Tzar is a socialist/communist/marxist/Leninist title is blatantly wrong.

Lenin after all wasn't a tzar – he was the Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the Soviet Union and he had the last tzar shot.

More to world than USA. – yes I know it's hard for people to understand that sometimes

Your list also contains US officials/heads of state and many of them were certainly even close to socialist let alone Leninist/Marxist/communist – eg Ronald Reagan, Donald Trump, the Bushes, Clintion etc as well as officials appointed by those presidents.

Or were they all socialist/communist/leninist/marxists?

Whatever, you are digging too deep into the weeds to find something to complain about. Have fun with that.

Climate change affecting weather that affects navigation at sea? Gimme a break. Weather is what it is. Meteorologist mostly work in hours and days. As for changes to coastlines, maybe in a few hundred years, but not in out lifetimes or our children's. Doesn't happen that fast.

Problem is that our understanding of coastal change is based on decades, nudging centauries, of research about which bits of coastline are eroding or accreting and patterns of sediment movement. Climate change will essentially throw all that understanding into a bag and give it a shake before tipping it out for sedimentologists and oceanographers to start again on piecing together.

And yes it will happen fast enough to concern people who plan for longer than timescales than an election cycle.

Also within a handful of years the Arctic may be sufficiently denuded of ice year round which I will assume will alter security concerns for the US and Canada.

The weather is different but potentially presents a similar issue.

And that's without getting into the potential water wars and the instability resulting from mega-migrations.

The only way climate change is a military problem is due to the Satanic global cabal hell bent upon their global reset depopulation climate nonsense. As people in developed countries come under harsher and harsher tyrannies empowered by "climate police" and "health police", rising energy prices, food shortages, and on and on, there will invariably be violent backlash. Surely the globalist elites have gamed out this scenario with the best AI on an infinite loop just like the WOPR.

In fact, hell will freeze over before any country on the planet will force China into any kind of climate measures, least of all China Joe Biden. Bidens at 38% approval now and looking to shut down another pipeline. In this regard, the US's current globalist climate push is far more likely to cause domestic unrest and poverty domestically. It undoubtedlyweakens the US military's fighting capabilities.

Of course theres also eco terrorists, but Im guessing most of them are in various US amd EU bureaucratic appointments by now and are no longer "in the trenches"

And Sr. Carlos might want to consider sending a battalion or two of them Seabees down to patrol the Rio Grande where there are thousands of unvaccinated foreigners entering the middle of a so call COVID crisis -- which is number 4 on his list.

More to world than USA. – yes I know it's hard for people to understand that sometimes

It's what many say until they need a complex surgical procedure that can't be performed anywhere else (and usually gratis) or it's time to apply for graduate school. Please, spare us.

Ronald Reagan a socialist? Are they giving away free unlimited supplies of crack Down Under?

Gee, "JRR Tokin", that was a really useful post. You wouldn't be trolling by any chance?