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arealdeadone12 Oct 2021 3:48 p.m. PST

Secretary of the Navy Carlos Del Toro has come out with his strategic guidance to the Navy.

Apparently there are 4 key challenges facing the US Navy:

1. China
2. Culture
3. Climate Change
4. COVID

link

OSCS7412 Oct 2021 4:11 p.m. PST

Just more poppycock from the Admiral.

Nick Bowler12 Oct 2021 5:10 p.m. PST

I havent read the article. But in any large organisation, culture is a constant battle. People think of culture as wokeness – but it is so, so, so much more than that. There will be constant dynamics between the bean counters and the effectiveness folks – these are the culture wars that ultimately determine the organisation effectiveness. If the bean counters win, the organisation will wither and die. If the effectiveness people win, the organisation will go bankrupt. Establishing the right balance is a constant juggling act. (This is the area I work in. And there are far more axes of culture wars within organisations). I can understand Culture as #2

arealdeadone12 Oct 2021 5:17 p.m. PST

Nick,

Very good post. And it's not just been counters v effectiveness, there's also culture relating to "how we do things," "why we do things" etc as well as things such as risk and innovation aversion/willingness.

Organisational culture is a critical concept yet often overlooked.

pzivh43 Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2021 5:39 a.m. PST

But culture, according to Sec Del Toro is: "…confronting sexual assault and harassment, promoting diversity, equity, and inclusion, preventing suicide, and demanding integrity and accountability across our naval leadership".

Aside from the last, it's all woke. Not saying that those issues don't deserve attention by leaders, but take a look at the state of our navy. I'd say it suffers more from diverting focus away from basics like sense of duty, training and will to fight than it does from not having enough LGBTQ Chiefs.

OSCS7413 Oct 2021 7:10 a.m. PST

No Russia, Iran or North Korea but there is Climate Change. Just how is the USN structured to combat Climate Change other than just talk?

Personal logo Silurian Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2021 7:17 a.m. PST

"look at the state of our navy"

What exactly is wrong with it at present? Specifically:
Is it big enough?
Is it well supplied?
Is it enough of a deterrent?
Could it 'get the job done'?

Is the answer "no" to any of these?

Murvihill13 Oct 2021 8:10 a.m. PST

Challenges facing the US Navy:
Training
Maintenance
Safety
Supply
Morale
As it has always been. All that stuff up at the top is bull.

Legion 413 Oct 2021 8:20 a.m. PST


As it has always been. All that stuff up at the top is bull.
Bingo !!!! +1 And you can have the same list for the rest of the US military. Especially now …

Personal logo Silurian Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2021 8:43 a.m. PST

Assessing a potential threat (China, as quoted in the OP in this case), is bull is it?

Personal logo Silurian Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2021 8:55 a.m. PST

Looking at another of those points.
If I'm not mistaken, much of the navy floats on the sea.
Climate change (please lets ignore any causes thereof) will affect weather patterns over the seas and changes to the coastlines amongst other things. Something that might be of importance to the navy, and therefore not written off as bull.

pzivh43 Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2021 9:12 a.m. PST

Climate change affecting weather that affects navigation at sea? Gimme a break. Weather is what it is. Meteorologist mostly work in hours and days. As for changes to coastlines, maybe in a few hundred years, but not in out lifetimes or our children's. Doesn't happen that fast.

Personal logo Silurian Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2021 10:29 a.m. PST

Conditions at sea still have to be taken into account by the navy on operations. (With todays instrumentation navigation is not an issue. Don't believe I mentioned that).
I'm no expert but I imagine that 'challenge' was brought up not for any woke reasons but rather for it's potential to affect how certain things will operate. And not tomorrow or next week, but in the forthcoming decades. There's a difference between weather and climate.

raylev3 Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2021 2:34 p.m. PST

It's not just sea conditions, it's also the naval bases on the shorelines, or conditions where they operate along the littoral.

Not to mention that the disruptions caused by climate change will increase international tensions, etc.

arealdeadone13 Oct 2021 4:11 p.m. PST

it's also the naval bases on the shorelines, or conditions where they operate along the littoral.

Given natural coastal erosion, storms, changing nature of ships themselves etc, this is always an issue.

It's why they have maintenance (well they should even if often they don't) and why they have survey units.


Not denying climate change, merely that's its not as big an issue to the navy.


3 of the 4 Cs are clearly political virtue signalling.

Amazing the Secretary didn't mention the real challenges which Murvihill posted up:

Training
Maintenance
Safety
Supply
Morale

When you have ships out of action for years due to lack of maintenance facilities, multiple accidents due to overwork and lack of training, and problems recruiting and retaining staff, then that's when you can't accomplish basic missions.

Personal logo Silurian Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2021 6:41 p.m. PST

So going back to the question I asked above, IS the US navy not able to accomplish basic missions?

Personal logo David Manley Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2021 8:42 p.m. PST

Interesting and rather sad that sexual assault and harassment, and suicide prevention are seen as "woke"….. :/

walkabout13 Oct 2021 10:16 p.m. PST

From Navy Times July 29, 21016
Rising oceans threaten to submerge 128 military bases: report

navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2016/07/29/rising-oceans-threaten-to-submerge-128-military-bases-report/

Personal logo Silurian Supporting Member of TMP14 Oct 2021 6:11 a.m. PST

Exactly David Manley. Only seen as 'woke' by some.

Legion 414 Oct 2021 10:01 a.m. PST

sexual assault and harassment, and suicide prevention are seen as "woke"….. :/
With my years in the Army, in my youth long passed. None of that was considered what some call "woke" today … They were important and took seriously again based on my experience.

Of course … back then woke meant you were not asleep. Not what some think it is today … old fart


Training
Maintenance
Safety
Supply
Morale

Those are needed to produce effective warfighting skills … AFAIK/IMO …

Steve Wilcox14 Oct 2021 10:03 a.m. PST

With my years in the Army, in my youth long passed.

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Murvihill14 Oct 2021 5:06 p.m. PST

Safe navigation is still very much an issue with the Navy, a quick google search on recent collisions and groundings will prove it. As far as global warming/climate change, 99% of the Navy doesn't look further than 5 years ahead, climate change isn't going to make an appreciable difference in that time. Calling what is essentially a long range planning issue a key challenge is not based on realistic thinking.

Legion 417 Oct 2021 9:02 a.m. PST

Steve Wilcox 14 Oct 2021 10:03 a.m. PST
With my years in the Army, in my youth long passed.
TMP link

Steve my long passed youth didn't include the ACW ! huh? old fart evil grin But thank you for thinking of me … 😁

Steve Wilcox17 Oct 2021 9:22 a.m. PST

Steve my long passed youth didn't include the ACW ! huh? old fart evil grin But thank you for thinking of me … 😁

You're very welcome! :)

Legion 417 Oct 2021 9:33 a.m. PST

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