"Gonzalo Cordoba, Coat of Arms for Cerignola 1503 Campaign?" Topic
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Atheling | 12 Oct 2021 1:29 a.m. PST |
What Were Gonzalo Fernandez Cordoba Personal Coat of Arms for Cerignola 1503 Campaign (Please!)? With the release of the Gonzalo Fernandez Cordoba mini's from TAG I started to do some research for his personal coat of arms. I came up with the following four options from Wappenwikki on my blog: justaddwater-bedford.blogspot.com/2021/10/gonzalo-fernandez-cordoba-personal-coat.html I wonder if I could ask you to take a look at the post and let me know what you think, out of the four, he was likely to have carried on the Cerignola 1503 Campaign please? My instincts are to go with the first one, but I think he was given the epithet "El Gran Capitan" prior to setting foot on Italian soil? Any help would be so much appreciated! Hopefully some of our Spanish members can help illuminate the question? Coat of Arms 1- this is the one I prefer but would be happy to be corrected? Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba 1st Duke of Santángelo, Montalto, Terranova, Andría and Sessa Viceroy of Naples El Gran Capitan Younger son of Pedro Fernández de Córdoba, 4th Lord of Aguilar and Priego
Coat of Arms 2Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba 1st Duke of Santángelo, Montalto, Terranova, Andría and Sessa Alternative arms variant
Coat of Arms 3 Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba 1st Duke of Santángelo, Montalto, Terranova, Andría and Sessa Alternative arms variant V.2
Coat of Arms 4 Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba 1st Duke of Santángelo, Montalto, Terranova, Andría and Sessa Alternative arms variant as Knight of the Golden Fleece
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GurKhan | 12 Oct 2021 3:23 a.m. PST |
Have a look at the commentary attached to link which identifies the origin of each quartering and says: "It appears that Gonzalo himself used a more simple quartered version showing only Fernández de Córdoba, Manrique de Lara, Enríquez and Mendoza, see here ("Estas son las armas del Gran Capitan a quien fue dirigida la presente obra")." The "here" in that text links to
which is your first version. So another vote for that. |
Atheling | 12 Oct 2021 10:11 a.m. PST |
Have a look at the commentary attached to link which identifies the origin of each quartering and says:"It appears that Gonzalo himself used a more simple quartered version showing only Fernández de Córdoba, Manrique de Lara, Enríquez and Mendoza, see here ("Estas son las armas del Gran Capitan a quien fue dirigida la presente obra")." The "here" in that text links to [image] which is your first version. So another vote for that. I've just been in touch with a few Spanish friends as the majority are pointing towards the first one which is what I originally thought. It's always a good thing to get confirmation before embarking on painting the thing! LOL My Just Add Water Painting and Wargaming Blog: link |
jdpintex | 12 Oct 2021 12:47 p.m. PST |
I vote for number 4, just to see it painted on a miniature. :) |
Atheling | 15 Oct 2021 4:17 a.m. PST |
Thus far we have number No.1 with the most votes and No. 2 coming in second. I do have the most information on No 2 (from a Spanish friend of mine- I can't read Spanish!) so that is so far at least, looking to the the likeliest candidate. My Just Add Water Painting and Wargaming Blog: link |
Puster | 15 Oct 2021 10:28 p.m. PST |
Wenceslaus Hollar made a print on Gonzalo Fernandes Cordoba with a coat of arms. link Sadly that is just one of the great mans heirs :-) link Sorry, I cannot help you with the actual coat of arms.
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Atheling | 17 Oct 2021 4:03 a.m. PST |
Thanks anyway Puster. Any clues are appreciated. It's proving to be much more of a mystery then I anticipated. My Just Add Water Painting and Wargaming Blog: link |
Puster | 17 Oct 2021 5:06 a.m. PST |
The second version seems to be identical with that on his tomb, so we can probably be relatively sure how is coat of arm looked like when he died. link As he was made Viceroy of Naples and later Duke of Sessa (and others) after 1503 we can not be sure that his coat of arms remained unchanged. link Here it looks, however, as if his duchy got his coat of arms, not the other way around. I would, however, go with the first version, as the second looks like it combined later achievements like the given duchies into the arms. The later two versions seem highly unlikely for him, as he was not a member of the order of the Golden Fleece – though some of his descendents – using the same name – were. link |
John the OFM | 17 Oct 2021 7:45 p.m. PST |
I vote for number 4, just to see it painted on a miniature. :) Exactly. 15mm. |
Atheling | 18 Oct 2021 1:07 p.m. PST |
Thanks Puster. It's been a bit of an odd ride. If it was Wars of the Roses of the Hundred Years War etc I would be in my element. It's surprising how little we actually know about the heraldry of The Italian Wars by comparison to the above. My Just Add Water Painting and Wargaming Blog: link |
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