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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP11 Oct 2021 4:35 p.m. PST

"The World War II German air force the Luftwaffe was a force to be reckoned with.

It can be argued that the last six months of World War II in Europe saw a calculated battle of attrition in which the Allies pitted large numbers of good aircraft and well-trained crews against smaller numbers of advanced German fighters and the facilities that built them and made their fuel.

At war's end, statistics showed the race to produce German jet fighters like the Me 262 was ramping up:…"
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Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP11 Oct 2021 4:57 p.m. PST

Just like the Tiger tank, and ultimately just as successful.
Your crews are only as good as the ones that survived the 6 year attrition. And the more advanced the design, the more valuable the resources it eats up versus "adequate", or "good enough".

The Japanese had a similar problem, starting the war with super elite fighter pilots … who died off and couldn't be replaced fast enough because the training was so strenuous.

Personal logo Dan Cyr Supporting Member of TMP11 Oct 2021 8:23 p.m. PST

The Nazis screwed it all up.

* Poor production until late in war.
* Did not build a successful heavy bomber (so Soviet war production was out of range).
* Spread their war production wildly, producing too many types of a/c, engines, etc.
* Had to continue using the Me-109 for nearly 10 years thru the war, with an air frame too restricted to really expand its abilities.
* Tried to (and spent a fortune in materials, industrial production, techs, etc.) trying to jump start '50s technology with jets, while the allies maxed out their '30s technology to bury the Nazis with production.
Never understood or accepted that they had a limited range air force that could not compete with the allies' production of aircraft, quality, numbers of crews trained, etc.

It was a dead man walking from about 1943 on.

emckinney12 Oct 2021 9:08 a.m. PST

"And the more advanced the design, the more valuable the resources it eats up versus "adequate", or "good enough"."

The big advantage of the jets was that the engines were so easy to produce relative to piston engines. The speed advantage was great, but the economic/production advantage made the transition inevitable.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP12 Oct 2021 4:01 p.m. PST

Thanks

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Personal logo Dan Cyr Supporting Member of TMP12 Oct 2021 8:57 p.m. PST

Building them with slave labor did not help with the quality either.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP12 Oct 2021 11:11 p.m. PST

Well… I guess the German have a "Control Quality" in their factories… and if you don't work well… the punishment have been not only the loss of your job…

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Personal logo Dan Cyr Supporting Member of TMP13 Oct 2021 8:03 p.m. PST

You'd be surprised at the dud rate of German ammo, failure of machine parts, even comments written inside weapon systems indicating that there were many forced or slave labors doing what they could to damage the German war machine. Even in non-German facilities, where locals were employed for maintenance on aircraft, S-Boats, subs, tanks, vehicles, etc., sabotage was a real problem. A small amount of metal shavings goes a long way in fuel, oil or around ball bearings.

Who'd think it?

Heedless Horseman20 Oct 2021 10:50 p.m. PST

Dan Cyr. Watching TV 'Combat Dealers'… they sent a Panther engine to be restored, (Not many around, now), and repair firm found valve shaft filed through to fail sometime.
Brave people to do that!
One does wonder if the notorious Breakdown failings for German Tanks, in particular, may have been, in part, due to sabotage, rather than design flaws?

It is 'possibe' that sabotage 'could' have made more 'Kills', through abandonment and demolition, than Allied forces!

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