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Chad4706 Oct 2021 12:02 p.m. PST

Does anyone know the colour of the above?

14Bore06 Oct 2021 12:25 p.m. PST

Dr Summerfield puts the Hanoverian up to 1803 in red, 1814-15 red with some medium to dark grey, iron fittings all black
For my Hanoverian 1813-15 I opted for brick red

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2021 1:26 p.m. PST

I can well imagine it depends on the date in question.

Must say that, for that field south of Brussels, I thought they followed British practice, but I do accept that the Napoleonic Wars did precede 1815, as the odd skirmish anyway.

Chad4706 Oct 2021 2:07 p.m. PST

Perhaps I should have been a little more precise. I am looking at the period 1793-95.

14Bore06 Oct 2021 2:35 p.m. PST

Then looks like the red

Brechtel19806 Oct 2021 4:19 p.m. PST

And it is well to remember that there was no Hanover as an independent electorate between 1807 and 1813, parts of it becoming part of the new Kingdom of Westphalia.

Prior to 1807 Hanover had been tossed between France and Prussia, and any idea of an independent electorate was virtually meaningless.

Extrabio1947 Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2021 4:22 p.m. PST

Yes, per Kronoskaf, Hanoverian artillery carriages in the SYW were red (see below) and apparently remained red until 1803, at least.

"Hanoverian carriages, limbers, and ammunition wagon were all painted red and the metal fittings had a black furnish. We may assume the shade of red to be rather similar to that of the French guns. At that time, this colour was the most popular and most widely used to furnish wood."

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2021 6:49 p.m. PST

I would think that the "red" would be a "red lead" paint color.

Jim

Brechtel19807 Oct 2021 3:28 a.m. PST

During the Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars French gun carriages and other artillery rolling stock were painted dark green.

Red went out with Valliere fils.

Chad4707 Oct 2021 3:56 a.m. PST

Thanks all

Steamingdave207 Oct 2021 10:12 a.m. PST

@Brechtel198.
Dark green? I have always understood that French guns etc were a more "Olive Green", the pigment being made by mixing ochre and lamp black, so a slightly yellowy green.

Brechtel19807 Oct 2021 2:41 p.m. PST

I believe that olive green is a dark green. Humbrol used to manufacture French Artillery Green if I recall correctly, and that was a dark green.

Apparently, the US artillery used the same color during the War of 1812.

Personal logo Mserafin Supporting Member of TMP07 Oct 2021 2:48 p.m. PST

I've seen US artillery from the Civil War that were green. Most of them, IIRC.

Brechtel19808 Oct 2021 3:48 p.m. PST

The standard color for US gun carriages, limbers, caissons and ancillary artillery vehicles in the Civil War was olive drab/dark green.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP09 Oct 2021 1:54 a.m. PST

Well, getting even further from the original topic, here is how Union guns were preserved at Gettysburg 11 years ago. Obviously reconstructions but I suspect much research went into them.

French artillery of the Napoleonic Era. Someone once told me Vallejo Russian Uniform WWII 70.924 and I have used it ever since.

For British I found this useful (and the book is invaluable);

PDF link

Red lead should look very good on artillery carriages. It has an orange "rust" look, curiously enough to protect against corrosion and rust!

picture

Brechtel19809 Oct 2021 4:18 a.m. PST

For the British field artillery, Franklin's book is an essential study.

von Winterfeldt10 Oct 2021 2:07 a.m. PST

Bernadotte's corps of 1805/06 employed a lot of Hannoverian guns.

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