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GamesPoet Supporting Member of TMP05 Oct 2021 11:50 p.m. PST

Anybody familiar with uniforms for the French 26th Chasseurs a Cheval?

Osprey has a picture with the full plume on top of hat. Jouneau's picture/plate has the same, although the brigadier has only a blue pompon, while a regular trumpeter (as opposed to the elite company trumpeter shown too) has the plume as well on top of the blue pompon. Meanwhile, the elite company is represented by a trumpeter in gray pants (instead of the usual trooper's green) and also a sapeur dressed in the same gray pants.

Besides the pompon basics of red being the elite company color, and blue being the third company color, does this mean the officer/brigadier and main trumpeter would ride with the third company?

And besides the usually listed madder red for the cuffs only, what else might folks be aware of regarding their uniform?

GarryWills06 Oct 2021 4:42 a.m. PST

I am not sure what you are specifically asking, but I painted my 15mm ones using Letrun & Mongin's book. link

GamesPoet Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2021 9:01 a.m. PST

Seen those at some point, glad to be reminded, thank you!

Looks like they have 3 volumes alone for French Chasseurs. How was it decided to jump to the third volume?

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2021 10:06 a.m. PST

Any uniform research has to take into consideration what the 'regulation' uniform was for what period and the uniform worn on campaign and in the field.

GamesPoet Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2021 10:15 a.m. PST

Well I'm open to that, feel free to clue me in if you've got info on the 26th Chasseurs.

Or even if it is something more general regarding the Chasseurs a Cheval overall.

Suspect this first unit won't be my only unit in this category … lol.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2021 4:13 p.m. PST

French regimental commanders would uniform their trumpeters and their musicians as they wanted.

And there were no complete set of uniform regulations for the French army until the Bardin regulations of 1812. And the Imperial Guard had their own uniform regulations despite Bardin.

GamesPoet Supporting Member of TMP06 Oct 2021 8:24 p.m. PST

That is helpful, thank you.

I'm creating a unit of 8 figures, 2 per 50mmx50mm base. Considering cutting off the plume's of the heads with the bearskin hats to affix those to the heads with the pompons only, similarly to what I've seen with Jouneau's picture/plate. Also in line with that, might model the elite company with a bugler and sapeur, while a standard bearer will ride with the brigadier. My sense is the plumes on hats without coverings is more of a parade uniform.

These figures seem to have a Bardin jacket, which I am not thrilled about. Suppose it might make them slightly easier to paint, not that such is a big plus, just is what it is.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP07 Oct 2021 3:26 a.m. PST

The French captured, intact, the big Austrian arsenal in 1805 and 1809 from which Napoleon resupplied his army.

The Austrian black and yellow plumes made an appearance in some hussar and chasseur a cheval regiments.

GamesPoet Supporting Member of TMP07 Oct 2021 4:28 a.m. PST

That's an interesting info bit, thank you. Probably won't use that idea for my 26th Chasseurs, although good to be aware of anyway.

There's something about getting lost in the details of this hobby that is fun. Having extra understanding seems to slip into an area of good feelings. Its ok if others don't, although the extra effort does seem rewarding to me personally.

Michman07 Oct 2021 10:13 a.m. PST

The 26e chasseurs had an atypical beginning ….

26 Aug 1800 : raised at Turin as the 1º reggimento d'ussari piemontesi (1er régiment de hussards piémontais) from pro-French residents of the Piedmont, capo squadrone Bernardino Drovetti (1776-1852), a former aide de camp to Murat is named commander
23 Oct 1800 : 2 squadrons, 36 officers & 348 men
24 Nov 1800 : il conte Carlo-Luigi-Maria Armano di Gros, dit Armand (1761-1830) named capo brigada
9 Aug 1801 : 4 squadrons, 772 men, at Turin
26 Aug 1801 : the regiment entered French service as the 17e chasseurs à cheval
28 Feb 1802 : Alexandre-Elisabeth-Michel Digeon (1771-1826) named chef de brigade (colonel 24 Sep 1803, promoted général de brigade 31 Mar 1807)
28 Oct 1801 : renamed 26e chasseurs à cheval
1803 – 4 squadrons, at Gray, near Dijon
1804 – 4 squadrons, at Liège
1805 – at Mayence & Zalbach – then 3 squadrons with the light cavalry brigade of Soult's IV corps at Austerlitz

The regiment's first "regulation" uniform as the 26e chasseurs was :
"habit, dolman, culotte hongroise, surtout, bonnet de police et manteau drap vert; paremen[t]s du surtout en drap rougegarance; gilet blanc; gilet d'écurie, pantalon d'écurie et porte-manteau tricot vert; les paremen[t]s du gilet d'écurie en tricot rouge garance"

I do not know what uniform the 1º reggimento d'ussari piemontesi wore.

Commandant Bucquoy thought they looked like this :

picture

An Italian miniatures company offers this, perhaps based on a portrait :
Maria Giuseppe Tommaso Rossetti, capitano 1° ussari piemontesi 1800

picture

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP07 Oct 2021 12:01 p.m. PST

Uniforms of the regiment can be found in Officers and Soldiers of French Chasseurs a Cheval, Volume 2 1779-1815 on pages 72-73. There are also two tables of facing colors on pages 6 and 76 and pictures of the shako and habit on page 7.

Garde de Paris07 Oct 2021 12:31 p.m. PST

In plate #11, Rousselot shows a trooper of te 26eme, mounted, circa 1809-1812, wearing the "Kinski" – short-tailed, single-breasted jacket – with Rouge Garance (dark red/orange) cuffs
and turnbacks only. Collar and shoulder flaps are dark green edged Garance.

I recall seeing an Osprey illustration of this regiment, wearing same shako with the sunburst plate as seen for the Polish light horse of the Guard. Rousselot shows tall plme tipped (2 sevenths?) garance, in ball of garance. White cords with flounders. Brass visor edging and chin scales (where most were supposed to be white metal).

Garance saw tooth edging on the lambs wool shabraque.

Robert Burnham in "Charging Against Wellington," notes that the 26eme had its 4th Squadron in Portugal in 1807, then HQ, 1st, 2nd and 3rd arrived in 1808. At one point attached to the 4th Corps – 1 French infantry division; 1 "German" Division; and 1 Polish division.

Battles and Officer losses were Rolica, Vimiero; Medellin; Talavera; d'Almonacid: counter Guerilla actions La Renda; and Salamanca.

The third squadron left the Peninsula February 1812; HQ, 1st and 2nd June 1812.

Looks like a hard-fighting regiment!

GdeP

GamesPoet Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2021 9:06 a.m. PST

Lot's of helpful info there gentlemen, thank you.

Here is a link to the picture/plate referred to earlier …

link

I paid for a download of it, and this enables the reading of the print provided with the pictures, which is where some of the info provided previously was obtained.

Will share some additional info that I located when possible, thanks!

GamesPoet Supporting Member of TMP12 Oct 2021 11:36 a.m. PST

Have glued, slightly converted, and primed my 8 figures for this unit. Decided for the first time ever to prime riders and horses in different colors to see if this will speed the painting up a bit, but will see.

Also, been a bit busy for posting some more info obtained, but haven't forgotten.

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