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Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP02 Oct 2021 9:30 a.m. PST
John the OFM02 Oct 2021 10:14 a.m. PST

No, but it looks like a good counter to the Lost Cause whine that the slaves were really better off than the damn Yankees thought.

Brechtel198 Supporting Member of TMP02 Oct 2021 12:43 p.m. PST

An interesting article about the author and the book:


robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP02 Oct 2021 12:45 p.m. PST

The reference to Angola Penitentiary struck me. The convicted felons serving their sentences weren't being paid minimum wage? The horror! The horror!

wpilon03 Oct 2021 7:20 a.m. PST

robert piepenbrink you really should educate yourself before tossing off snarky little one-liners that actually make you look like an ignorant simpleton. I might suggest having a look at Doug Blackmon's Slavery by Another Name before you do further damage.

GildasFacit Sponsoring Member of TMP03 Oct 2021 7:41 a.m. PST

wpilon – you might try learning some manners before challenging one of the most even tempered posters here.

Au pas de Charge03 Oct 2021 7:45 a.m. PST

Interestingly, one reviewer who doesnt seem to have read the book has a very heated reaction:

1.0 out of 5 stars Enough Whining
Reviewed in the United States on June 3, 2021
Listened to Clint Smith interviewed by Terry Gross. Never heard so much whining and fussing over long past events. The Native Americans were treated worse and more recently but yet they've mostly moved on. The Jews were treated much worse much more recently and they've moved on. Clint objects to his poor education, well we all received poor educations but we've grown and moved on. The fact is the debt for slavery has been paid in blood, about 700,000 poor mostly white men who never owned a slave. The biggest lie is that the southerners died to own slaves and northerners died to stop them, but rather they we're all just victims of north/south politics.


I'm surprised he didn't trow in BLM, Antifa and Marxism.

Trajanus03 Oct 2021 9:29 a.m. PST

One of the things I would be interested to know about in relation to the Atlantic Slave Trade is what's the story around Brazil?

Not in the sense of never mind the US or British involvement just look at these guys!

If you look at numbers and destination of Slave transportation from Africa, Brazil's are so much larger as to be ridiculous by comparison to anywhere else.

Half the Slaves disembarked over the whole period of the Trade ended up in Brazil that's over 5 million people!

Why was that and why don't were hear about it?

Phillius Sponsoring Member of TMP03 Oct 2021 10:56 a.m. PST

Brazil – the Portugese aligned with coastal tribes to find workers for the sugar plantations. Together they conducted raids on villages up the Amazon and tributaries capturing locals and enslaving them to work on the sugar plantations.
When they ran out of locals, or the locals ran out and went further into the interior, the Portugese began to import Africans to work on the plantations.

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP04 Oct 2021 2:56 a.m. PST

Trajanus, we don't hear about it because it's embarrassing to the United States. Not slavery in itself: they abolished later than we did. But when they abolished they were done, and we spent the next century trying to maintain some sort of color bar. If we'd been willing to move on in 1865--or even 1965--our present discussions might be quite different.

wpilon, Perfectly well aware that a black man was less likely to receive justice in southern (and sometimes northern) courts for generations--but that's a separate issue from heatedly complaining that prison labor was unpaid as an instance of racism. There were plenty of white convicts serving out sentences of hard labor, and they were paid no better.

Au pas de Charge04 Oct 2021 6:24 a.m. PST

…and we spent the next century trying to maintain some sort of color bar. If we'd been willing to move on in 1865--or even 1965--our present discussions might be quite different.

Or even 2021. I suspect that these arguments in defense of the South/Confederacy are a proxy for current events.

I havent seen one cogent argument except whataboutisms suggesting that everyone else had slaves, maintaining that Secession was not about what it was about with no proof and in contradistinction to the Southern States' own articles of secession, and, the conscious cut and paste to prove that not only does the Lost Cause myth not exist but, in fact, it is the North that really suffers from Lost Causism.

I expect to hear appeals for us to "Open our eyes" soon.

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